[VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape

Tue Oct 17 17:15:51 EDT 2023

Hi Ross,

This differs from the "ecosystem" models that Peerless, Intelepeer etc
offer where you can "peer" with their other customers - i.e., you're still
paying a per minute fee, you're just paying a slightly lower one.

It would have a flat rate cost per "dip" or even a flat membership fee
based on number of subscribers, instead of per-minute fees. But
monetization is for a later time.

This idea would not be a carrier - it would be a pure tandem, or "exchange
point for SIP", more like how internet exchange points operate. And it
would work across all carriers in the North American Numbering Plan. You
would not have to be a subscriber of a particular reseller/carrier.

Jawaid

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:08 PM Ross Tajvar <ross at tajvar.io> wrote:

> This sounds like a carrier with a lot of SIP peers, which is already a
> thing that exists today. It also requires a lot of time and work to build,
> because you need some traffic for the other side to justify the cost to
> interconnect with you.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:05 PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps <
> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested
>> in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
>>
>> The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to
>> reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and
>> enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between
>> endpoints.
>>
>> I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing
>> to do some testing.
>>
>> Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how
>> something like this might fit in.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jawaid
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps <
>> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>>
>>> If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier
>>> area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.
>>>
>>> MARY LOU CAREY
>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>> Office: 615-791-9969
>>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>>
>>> On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > *nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then
>>> > convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
>>> >
>>> > -----
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> > http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> >
>>> > -------------------------
>>> >
>>> > From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com>
>>> > To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> > Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops"
>>> > <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
>>> >
>>> > We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves
>>> > in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of
>>> > issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both
>>> > at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note,
>>> > these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps
>>> > <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to
>>> >> their reliability?
>>> >>
>>> >> -----
>>> >> Mike Hammett
>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >>
>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> >>
>>> >> -------------------------
>>> >>
>>> >> From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>
>>> >> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
>>> >>
>>> >> There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case
>>> >> you
>>> >> may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look
>>> >> at
>>> >> another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not
>>> >> sure
>>> >> if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
>>> >>
>>> >> MARY LOU CAREY
>>> >> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>> >> Office: 615-791-9969
>>> >> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> >>> Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as
>>> >> the
>>> >>> tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an
>>> >> existing
>>> >>> operation somewhere else.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----
>>> >>> Mike Hammett
>>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -------------------------
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>
>>> >>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >>> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops"
>>> >>> <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to
>>> >> them
>>> >>>
>>> >>> via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your
>>> >> direct
>>> >>> LIS
>>> >>> trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> MARY LOU CAREY
>>> >>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>> >>> Office: 615-791-9969
>>> >>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> >>>> Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff
>>> >> (perhaps
>>> >>> a
>>> >>>> few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer
>>> >> minutes
>>> >>> to
>>> >>>> spread the costs over?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----
>>> >>>> Mike Hammett
>>> >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -------------------------
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>
>>> >>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >>>> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip
>>> >>> through
>>> >>>> these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't
>>> >> the
>>> >>>> local LEC's legacy network.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else,
>>> >> until
>>> >>>>> the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on
>>> >> IPES
>>> >>>>> for expansion markets, though.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building
>>> >> as
>>> >>>>> the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large
>>> >>>>> customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for
>>> >>>>> failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the
>>> >>>>> operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7
>>> >>>>> diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call
>>> >>>>> path.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----
>>> >>>>> Mike Hammett
>>> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -------------------------
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>
>>> >>>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >>>>> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems
>>> >>>>> (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who
>>> >> make
>>> >>>>> and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain
>>> >> on
>>> >>>>> it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it,
>>> >> the
>>> >>>>> worse it's gonna get.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much
>>> >> anymore.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett
>>> >> <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly)
>>> >> understand
>>> >>>>>> them to be a big dog in that space.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I've had two major problems with them in six months.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -----
>>> >>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>> >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
>>> >>>>>>
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