<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div> </div><div>Tudor Seicarescu<br>Saving money for business worldwide<br><br></div><div>Tel. Montreal: 1-514-400-2575<br>Tel. Romania: 40-21-589-7246<br>Cell Romania: 40-762-863-429<br>Yahoo: apaminerala<br>Skype: apaminerala<br>http://ca.linkedin.com/in/apaminerala<br><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "voiceops-request@voiceops.org" <voiceops-request@voiceops.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:22 AM<br><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> VoiceOps Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10<br></font><br>Send VoiceOps mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-request@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops-request@voiceops.org">voiceops-request@voiceops.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-owner@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops-owner@voiceops.org">voiceops-owner@voiceops.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific<br>than "Re: Contents of VoiceOps digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Cell Phone to SIP provider (Matthew S. Crocker)<br> 2. Re: Cell Phone to SIP provider (Carlos Alvarez)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:24:32 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: "Matthew S. Crocker" <<a ymailto="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com" href="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com">matthew@corp.crocker.com</a>><br>To: Paul Timmins <<a ymailto="mailto:paul@timmins.net" href="mailto:paul@timmins.net">paul@timmins.net</a>><br>Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider<br>Message-ID: <<a
ymailto="mailto:a2e95fd1-297b-44d5-a9d3-9f6ad2644f34@zimbra1.crocker.com" href="mailto:a2e95fd1-297b-44d5-a9d3-9f6ad2644f34@zimbra1.crocker.com">a2e95fd1-297b-44d5-a9d3-9f6ad2644f34@zimbra1.crocker.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Of course there is no reason why SIP couldn't be used for signaling and just establish the voice over a GSM / CDMA codec. The cell tower could transcode to RTP. Getting SIP direct to the handset would be good . The cell towers would just need to act like a SIP proxy <br><br>----- Original Message -----<br><br>> From: "Paul Timmins" <<a ymailto="mailto:paul@timmins.net" href="mailto:paul@timmins.net">paul@timmins.net</a>><br>> To: "Scott Berkman" <<a ymailto="mailto:scott@sberkman.net" href="mailto:scott@sberkman.net">scott@sberkman.net</a>><br>> Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a>" <<a
ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:07:14 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider<br><br>> My android phones do SIP user interface integration over HSDPA and<br>> EVDO respectively, and frankly, the voice quality isn't that great.<br>> Much worse than the underlying GSM or CDMA signal bar for signal<br>> bar.<br><br>> There's a reason the carriers aren't doing this yet.<br>> -Paul<br><br>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Scott Berkman wrote:<br><br>> > You might want to see if LightSquared has anything for you, they<br>> > dub<br>> > themselves the ?only wholesale-only mobile carrier?, but I?m not<br>> > sure what they can offer today.<br>> <br><br>> > <a href="http://www.lightsquared.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lightsquared.com/</a><br>> <br><br>> >
Also, aren?t some of the newer cellular technologies (UMTS or EVDO)<br>> > inherently built on SIP for the voice portion of the network?<br>> > That?s<br>> > not an answer to your problem, but?<br>> <br><br>> > One other thing you might want to look into is an OS that allows<br>> > the<br>> > default phone app to use SIP over the data connection natively (as<br>> > opposed to using a separate soft phone application that might not<br>> > integrate as well to the UI). I believe this was preset in versions<br>> > of WM6, but that?s somewhat old now and I have no idea if it?s<br>> > built<br>> > into any other platforms.<br>> <br><br>> > <a href="http://voipguides.blogspot.com/2008/05/voip-sip-client-for-windows-mobile-6.html" target="_blank">http://voipguides.blogspot.com/2008/05/voip-sip-client-for-windows-mobile-6.html</a><br>> <br><br>> > -Scott<br>> <br><br>>
> From: <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a><br>> > [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez<br>> <br>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:44 PM<br>> <br>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <br>> > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider<br>> <br><br>> > It is my understanding that:<br>> <br><br>> > a. The original post asked about sending the calls to the end point<br>> > (cell phone) as SIP, not cellular voice.<br>> <br><br>> > b. Sprint's MIS (Mobile Integration Service) merely allows a<br>> > company<br>> > or service provider to connect to them directly over TDM or
SIP and<br>> > do seamless integration of the cell and other phones, but the call<br>> > is still cellular voice to the handset.<br>> <br><br>> > I am facing a competitive sale right now to a municipality where<br>> > there is only one other carrier who can compete with us, and only<br>> > on<br>> > that one feature.<br>> <br><br>> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Matthew S. Crocker <<br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com" href="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com">matthew@corp.crocker.com</a> > wrote:<br>> <br><br>> > Sprint does this. The cell phones register to the cell tower as<br>> > cell<br>> > phones. The cell tower converts to SIP and registers with the call<br>> > agent. Broadsoft mentioned something about this at the last<br>> > connections conference. You would get a private IP connection into<br>> > Sprint to carry the voice
traffic. This would be perfect for me if<br>> > Sprint had a decent cell network in my area. Does anyone know if<br>> > AT&T or Verizon (LTE) do it as well?<br>> <br><br>> > <a href="http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1628" target="_blank">http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1628</a><br>> <br><br>> > > From: "Oren Yehezkely" < <a ymailto="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com" href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com">orenyny@gmail.com</a> ><br>> > <br>> <br>> > > To: " <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a> " < <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a> ><br>> > <br>> <br>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:00:02 PM<br>> > <br>> <br>> > > Subject: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider<br>> >
<br>> <br><br>> > > Hello,<br>> > <br>> <br><br>> > > I am looking for a cell phone company that is capable of<br>> > > providing<br>> > > SIP service instead of sending the calls over the cellular<br>> > > network.<br>> > <br>> <br><br>> > > If anybody here is capable of providing such a service or can<br>> > > recommend a vendor that can do that, please let me know.<br>> > <br>> <br><br>> > > Thanks,<br>> > <br>> <br><br>> > > Oren<br>> > <br>> <br><br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > <br>> <br>> > > VoiceOps mailing list<br>> > <br>> <br>> > > <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> > <br>> <br>> > > <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops"
target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>> > <br>> <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> <br>> > VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <br>> > <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>> <br><br>> > --<br>> <br><br>> > Carlos Alvarez<br>> <br><br>> > TelEvolve<br>> <br><br>> > 602-889-3003<br>> <br><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> <br>> > VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <br>> > <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops"
target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/voiceops/attachments/20110914/bad9d979/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/voiceops/attachments/20110914/bad9d979/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:22:01 -0700<br>From: Carlos Alvarez <<a ymailto="mailto:carlos@televolve.com" href="mailto:carlos@televolve.com">carlos@televolve.com</a>><br>To:
"<a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAFn1dUGEDdy=<a ymailto="mailto:s90yB2y-MqnGPHzDjHgheWXgijzj1zPxLNDNNA@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:s90yB2y-MqnGPHzDjHgheWXgijzj1zPxLNDNNA@mail.gmail.com">s90yB2y-MqnGPHzDjHgheWXgijzj1zPxLNDNNA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>You seem to be suggesting that there is a technical reason the carriers<br>don't do this. There is not. Carriers prioritize voice channels, which<br>really are just data also, though not using SIP. They *could* choose to<br>prioritize data, or do the usual QoS for the data so VoIP has good quality,<br>just like any other IP connection. They won't,
because it's a huge threat<br>to their business model.<br><br><br>On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Paul Timmins <<a ymailto="mailto:paul@timmins.net" href="mailto:paul@timmins.net">paul@timmins.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> My android phones do SIP user interface integration over HSDPA and EVDO<br>> respectively, and frankly, the voice quality isn't that great. Much worse<br>> than the underlying GSM or CDMA signal bar for signal bar.<br>><br>> There's a reason the carriers aren't doing this yet.<br>> -Paul<br>><br>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Scott Berkman wrote:<br>><br>> You might want to see if LightSquared has anything for you, they dub<br>> themselves the ?only wholesale-only mobile carrier?, but I?m not sure what<br>> they can offer today.****<br>> ** **<br>> <a href="http://www.lightsquared.com/****" target="_blank">http://www.lightsquared.com/****</a><br>> ** **<br>> Also, aren?t some of the
newer cellular technologies (UMTS or EVDO)<br>> inherently built on SIP for the voice portion of the network? That?s not an<br>> answer to your problem, but?****<br>> ** **<br>> One other thing you might want to look into is an OS that allows the<br>> default phone app to use SIP over the data connection natively (as opposed<br>> to using a separate soft phone application that might not integrate as well<br>> to the UI). I believe this was preset in versions of WM6, but that?s<br>> somewhat old now and I have no idea if it?s built into any other platforms.<br>> ****<br>> ** **<br>><br>> <a href="http://voipguides.blogspot.com/2008/05/voip-sip-client-for-windows-mobile-6.html" target="_blank">http://voipguides.blogspot.com/2008/05/voip-sip-client-for-windows-mobile-6.html</a><br>> ****<br>> ** **<br>> -Scott****<br>> ** **<br>> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org"
href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a> [mailto:<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Alvarez<br>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:44 PM<br>> *To:* <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider****<br>> ** **<br>> It is my understanding that:****<br>> ** **<br>> a. The original post asked about sending the calls to the end point (cell<br>> phone) as SIP, not cellular voice.****<br>> ** **<br>> b. Sprint's MIS (Mobile Integration Service) merely allows a company or<br>> service provider to connect to them directly over TDM or SIP and do seamless<br>> integration of the cell and other phones, but the call is still cellular<br>>
voice to the handset.****<br>> ** **<br>> I am facing a competitive sale right now to a municipality where there is<br>> only one other carrier who can compete with us, and only on that one<br>> feature.****<br>><br>> ** **<br>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Matthew S. Crocker <<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com" href="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com">matthew@corp.crocker.com</a>> wrote:****<br>><br>> Sprint does this. The cell phones register to the cell tower as cell<br>> phones. The cell tower converts to SIP and registers with the call agent.<br>> Broadsoft mentioned something about this at the last connections<br>> conference. You would get a private IP connection into Sprint to carry the<br>> voice traffic. This would be perfect for me if Sprint had a decent cell<br>> network in my area. Does anyone know if AT&T or Verizon (LTE) do it
as<br>> well?<br>><br>> <a href="http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1628" target="_blank">http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1628</a><br>><br>> ****<br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> *From: *"Oren Yehezkely" <<a ymailto="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com" href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com">orenyny@gmail.com</a>><br>> *To: *"<a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:00:02 PM<br>> *Subject: *[VoiceOps] Cell Phone to SIP provider****<br>><br>><br>><br>> Hello,<br>><br>> I am looking for a cell phone company that is capable of providing SIP<br>> service instead of sending the calls over the cellular network.<br>><br>> If anybody here
is capable of providing such a service or can recommend a<br>> vendor that can do that, please let me know.<br>><br>> Thanks,<br>><br>> Oren****<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops****" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops****</a><br>><br>> ** **<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops****" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops****</a><br>><br>><br>> ****<br>> ** **<br>> --****<br>> Carlos
Alvarez****<br>> TelEvolve****<br>> 602-889-3003****<br>> ** **<br>> ** **<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>><br>><br>><br><br><br>-- <br>Carlos Alvarez<br>TelEvolve<br>602-889-3003<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/voiceops/attachments/20110914/45d2c5f0/attachment.html" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/voiceops/attachments/20110914/45d2c5f0/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br><a
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