<div dir="ltr">Jesse,<div><br>Yes, I saw this thread and solution. I don't think that would scale as well though. The whole point of Broadsoft is being able to host hundreds or thousands of users. The though of having to fire up an asterisk server, host it somewhere, and program it everytime a client wants a local music on hold source seems silly to me.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Jesse Howard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhoward@shoretel.com" target="_blank">jhoward@shoretel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The key here is that Asterisk can act as multiple music on hold devices and provide all of the features you are looking for HOWEVER, you are STILL responsible
for providing the interface for uploading and converting audio files to place on the Asterisk server as well as managing who has access to what. None of this is difficult or without many examples on the internet – for example (although a pretty poorly one
but relevant) <a href="http://impulse.net/from-the-systems-engineering-lab-add-flexibility-to-your-broadsoft-broadworks-music-on-hold-with-open-source-asterisk/" target="_blank">http://impulse.net/from-the-systems-engineering-lab-add-flexibility-to-your-broadsoft-broadworks-music-on-hold-with-open-source-asterisk/</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you do find this a useful solution or even if not please do provide useful feedback of whether it works or not and what you tried. The link I provided
was the first one that popped up in my search for “broadworks asterisk music on hold device” but I would be shocked if this concept is not a widely used solution even if it hasn’t been brought up yet on this list. I know it was very common with older solutions
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with your statement. However, Broadsoft should make it easier for clients to upload their own DRM free music. Multiple files, multiple file formats, and looping. If they supported that instead of requiring an external ATA or system
to do music on hold that would solve 90 percent of the problems. Who really wants to login to the Broadsoft system and change a song every day, week, or month? Its much easier to upload say 20 songs, and have Broadsoft play them through them. Plus support
current sound files like .mp3. Yes, I know Broadsoft needs it in G711 ulaw for playback to the PSTN. They should write a script to convert it for the user in the background.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">This is one of the issues between a premise based solution and a hosted one. In a hosted solution the carrier is responsible for the distribution of content - the whole DRM
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file every time. I think this is bad on Broadsoft's part. It assumes the end user knows how to convert a .mp3 or other audio format to a .wav file (try explaining that to a common end user). Plus once they figure out how to upload the file, they can only upload
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:16 AM<br>
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