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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thx all for the valuable insights!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> VoiceOps [mailto:<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ivan Kovacevic<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 23, 2015 1:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Calvin E.<br><b>Cc:</b> VoiceOps<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Canadian TF termination</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p>Calvin</p><p>This is exactly how it works. ANI doesn't matter (although some IVRs also have application based ANI filters)</p><p>We work with contact centres on both sides of the border, who often transfer to TFNs, and we had to hard code trunks for specific TFNs as there are also US based numbers that do not take traffic from Canadian trunks.</p><p>It is a pain in the ...</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Jan 2015 14:33, "Calvin E." <<a href="mailto:calvine@gmail.com">calvine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I thought it worth sharing some feedback from a coworker who has been doing this a few decades longer than myself:</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"First, there’s no such thing as a “Canadian” TFN. There are NANP TFNs that can, in theory, be dialed from anywhere in the NANP. Due to massive cost differences, NANP telcos allow TFN owners to restrict dialing to certain areas – 48 states, AK, HI, Canada, USVI/PR, Caribbean, or any combination thereof.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"Second, it doesn’t matter what the ANI of the calling number is. What matters is where the call is dropped into the PSTN. Thus, if a TFN that is restricted to Canadian callers only is dialed, and we drop that call off to one of our US TF Termination vendors, the call will be blocked, as the first PSTN vendor in the line does an SMS dip, sees this TFN is restricted to Canada dialers only, sees the call is entering the PSTN in the US, and rejects it whether the calling number has a Canada NPA or a US NPA."</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I hope this helps you find a solution.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">--Calvin, a voice services engineer</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Ryan Delgrosso <<a href="mailto:ryandelgrosso@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryandelgrosso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">We have trunks with a few canadian providers and route calls from canadian source numbers to TF calls exclusively over trunks to canadian providers. Usually that solves the issue. <br><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 1/22/2015 10:39 AM, Ujjval Karihaloo wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi All:</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> We are being told by Level3 that if a Canadian DID calls a Canacdian TF number, they cannot guarantee call complete and its best effort. 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