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    <font size="+1">Hi Shaun,<br>
      <br>
      most systems work off CDR files (or Radius or Diameter steams) so
      are proprietary in what products they support (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://oculeus.com">http://oculeus.com</a>
      is one such system).  There are some products that are
      auto-learning based on SIP monitoring so are device independent. 
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tollshield.com">http://tollshield.com</a> is one of them and builds a network profile
      over several week to understand "normal" traffic patterns.  It can
      alert on variations of those patterns.  These systems requires
      monitoring ports whereas the CDR approach does not need SPAN
      ports.<br>
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      Also there is a difference between systems that can alert on fraud
      on ones that can proactively shut off service to suspect devices. 
      The proactive ones are usually device specific and more expensive
      and raise the risk of false positives.  <br>
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      Regards,<br>
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      ~Glen<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/29/2015 11:19 PM, Shaun Gill
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          <div>Hi Brad,</div>
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      <div>Neither - We are not using a product at this stage; using a
        combination of routing profiles (BSFT) and originating source
        IPs to block suspect traffic.</div>
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      <div>Regards,</div>
      <div>Shaun</div>
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Brad Anouar <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brad.anouar@masergy.com">brad.anouar@masergy.com</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday 30 January
          2015 3:07 AM<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Shaun Gill <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shaun.gill@is.co.za">shaun.gill@is.co.za</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Jay Cox <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jcox@appiaservices.com">jcox@appiaservices.com</a>>,
          "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>"
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [VoiceOps]
          Fraud Management<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Shaun,
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              <div>Have you used the SIP or CDR based product?</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:26 PM,
                Shaun Gill <span dir="ltr">
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                    href="mailto:Shaun.Gill@is.co.za" target="_blank">Shaun.Gill@is.co.za</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Noted – I will be checking this out Jay.</div>
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                        <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Jay
                        Cox <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:jcox@appiaservices.com"
                          target="_blank">jcox@appiaservices.com</a>><br>
                        <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday
                        28 January 2015 3:44 PM<br>
                        <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Shaun
                        Gill <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:shaun.gill@is.co.za"
                          target="_blank">shaun.gill@is.co.za</a>>, "<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"
                          target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>"
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"
                          target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
                        <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE:
                        [VoiceOps] Fraud Management<br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
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                                font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I
                                have used the TransNexus solution for a
                                long time.</span></p>
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                                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31,
                                  73, 125); font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif; ">Mobile 
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="tel:314%20910%207242"
                                    value="+13149107242" target="_blank">314
                                    910 7242</a></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                                      font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                                    Tahoma, sans-serif; "> VoiceOps [<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org"
                                      target="_blank">mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>]
                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Gill<br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28,
                                    2015 2:37 AM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"
                                      target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> [VoiceOps] Fraud
                                    Management</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size: 10.5pt; color:
                                      black; font-family: Calibri,
                                      sans-serif; ">Trying to get a feel
                                      for what fraud systems are out
                                      there for VoIP service providers;
                                      primarily using terrestrial
                                      mediums (such as metroE; diginet)
                                      with clients interconnecting via
                                      IP PBXs, voice gateways and IP
                                      phones.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size: 10.5pt; color:
                                  black; font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif; ">We have had fraud to
                                  international premium destinations
                                  which we are restricting based on
                                  calling profiles and originating
                                  source IPs; but neither is truly
                                  scalable.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size: 10.5pt; color:
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                                  sans-serif; ">Subsequently we are
                                  looking for alternatives.</span></p>
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