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<div>There are still many rural areas that are not in mandatory pooling areas because the NPA doesn't warrant it!</div>
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<div>Mary Lou Carey</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="position: relative; margin-left: 0px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: solid 1px blue;">On August 19, 2015 at 1:37 PM Kidd Filby <kiddfilby@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I know there are certain areas around the country that are not portable for a few reasons. One reason is when they are served off of a remote switch, they have elaborate e911 trunking schemes and must remain on that switch to properly function in an isolation-type scenario.<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov <span><<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com" target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="width: 100%; font-family: Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; background-color: #ffffff;">Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of rural LECs?</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; background-color: #ffffff;">--<br>Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC<br>303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300<br>Atlanta, GA 30346<br>United States<br><br>Tel: <a target="_blank">+1-800-250-5920</a> (toll-free) / <a target="_blank">+1-678-954-0671</a> (direct)<br>Web: <a href="http://www.evaristesys.com/" target="_blank">http://www.evaristesys.com/</a>, <a href="http://www.csrpswitch.com/" target="_blank">http://www.csrpswitch.com/</a><br><br>Sent from my BlackBerry.</div>
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<div><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy</div>
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<div dir="ltr">NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov <span><<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com" target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what?<br> <br> <span>--<br> Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC<br> 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300<br> Atlanta, GA 30346<br> United States<br> <br> Tel: <a target="_blank">+1-800-250-5920</a> (toll-free) / <a target="_blank">+1-678-954-0671</a> (direct)<br> Web: <a href="http://www.evaristesys.com/" target="_blank">http://www.evaristesys.com/</a>, <a href="http://www.csrpswitch.com/" target="_blank">http://www.csrpswitch.com/</a><br> <br> </span>Sent from my BlackBerry.<br> Original Message <br> From: Kidd Filby<br> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52<br> To: Carlos Alvarez<br> Cc: <a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br> <span>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy<br> <br> </span>
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<div>If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from.<br> <br> Kidd<br> <br> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com" target="_blank">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M.<br> <br> So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas.<br> <br> If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies.<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> VoiceOps mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> Kidd Filby<br> <a target="_blank">661.557.5640</a> (C)<br> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> VoiceOps mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a></div>
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