<html><head></head><body style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Thanks, Mary Lou. But does the NPAC have any such fields as well?</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Incidentally, where are the COCTYPE/SSC/COTYPE fields in the LERG? I was just getting the operator designation from LERG1, and mapping LRNs from LERG12.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Keep in mind I'm viewing lergdata.mdb on Linux, and that's an enormous pain and doesn't lend itself to easy exploration. :-)</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">--</span></div><div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC<br>303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300<br>Atlanta, GA 30346<br>United States<br><br>Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct)<br>Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/<br><br>Sent from my BlackBerry.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Mary Lou Carey</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:59</div><div><b>To: </b>Alex Balashov; James Milko</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Mary Lou Carey</div><div><b>Cc: </b>VoiceOps</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="">
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</style><div>I am an AOCN and yes the LERG has fields that differentiates between wireline and wireless. There are actually three fields that you could filter by:</div>
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<div>COCTYPE: Identifies the type of code</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="position: relative; margin-left: 0px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: solid 1px blue;">On August 19, 2015 at 12:32 PM James Milko <jmilko@bandwidth.com> wrote:<br><br>
<div dir="ltr">NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov <span><<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com" target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what?<br> <br> <span>--<br> Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC<br> 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300<br> Atlanta, GA 30346<br> United States<br> <br> Tel: <a>+1-800-250-5920</a> (toll-free) / <a>+1-678-954-0671</a> (direct)<br> Web: <a href="http://www.evaristesys.com/" target="_blank">http://www.evaristesys.com/</a>, <a href="http://www.csrpswitch.com/" target="_blank">http://www.csrpswitch.com/</a><br> <br> </span>Sent from my BlackBerry.<br> Original Message <br> From: Kidd Filby<br> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52<br> To: Carlos Alvarez<br> Cc: <a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br> <span class="im HOEnZb">Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy<br> <br> </span>
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<div class="h5">If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from.<br> <br> Kidd<br> <br> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M.<br> <br> So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas.<br> <br> If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies.<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> VoiceOps mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> Kidd Filby<br> <a>661.557.5640</a> (C)<br> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> VoiceOps mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a></div>
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