<div dir="ltr">I used Verizon's US based SIP trunks. Not using them currently though due to not being able to get ahold of our account manager. I believe they have multiple quality tiers. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 2:45 PM Dovid Bender <<a href="mailto:dovid@telecurve.com">dovid@telecurve.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I need to get whatever Verizon link your using. We have multiple trunks with them (SIP & SS7) in Europe and as of late it's been hit or miss.<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jared Geiger <<a href="mailto:jared@compuwizz.net" target="_blank">jared@compuwizz.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">If you're using Thinq for international and don't want to deal with LCR and generating rates for just a small amount of traffic, build a Verizon International only trunk with them and push all your traffic out there. You probably won't run into many issues. The slightly higher rates will be easier than dealing with the management headaches. Verizon does a really good job about keeping FAS out from the areas I've used them on.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Shripal Daphtary <<a href="mailto:shripald@gmail.com" target="_blank">shripald@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">this is all so annoying b/c we do so little international,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Jared Geiger <<a href="mailto:jared@compuwizz.net" target="_blank">jared@compuwizz.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Another annoyance to watch out for is all codes from various carriers won't match up. For example UK Landlines. Some carriers will say country code 44 is landlines and give you a rate, then break out 447XXX for the mobiles. Others will give a rate for 441 and 442. Then some will give a rate for 442, 4420, 44203, 44207 or some combination of those which they should all end up being compressed to 442. So your LCR has to do the longest prefix match per carrier and then compare against carriers. Not necessarily shortest prefix match. For example:<div><br></div><div>Number dialed: 44-20-7499-9000</div><div>Carrier A: 44 - 0.0025</div><div>Carrier B: 442 - 0.0045</div><div>Carrier C: 44207 - 0.0085</div><div><br></div><div>The obvious LCR is carrier A, but the last time I tested A2Billing, it would say Carrier C is the winner because the rest of the carriers don't have a rate for 44207. The other LCR option at the time would do shortest prefix match which could cause issues with mobile calls being incorrectly routed and rated. Things may have changed as my experience with A2Billing was many years ago, but it should apply to LCR calculations in general.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:24 AM Shripal Daphtary <<a href="mailto:shripald@gmail.com" target="_blank">shripald@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Paul and Dovid -- <div><br></div><div>I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most expensive carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm underwater? The issue is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and carrier6 (most expensive) could be 40 cents at times or more. </div><div><br></div><div>I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well </div><div><br></div><div>We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but use it mostly to limit fraud exposure. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis <<a href="mailto:pstamoulis@onestoptel.net" target="_blank">pstamoulis@onestoptel.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried – 215k of unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the industry, is not too bad. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and are familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at least 5once or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of vendors and be ready
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one of the many cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is one such company in the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with either company but I hear
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<p class="MsoNormal">You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find that when one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the breakouts, then usually the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need to be 6 or more routes
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up and have a larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , you should have more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well that’s a whole other subject
that gets much more complex… good luck, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have never come up with a good solution for. It revolves around International Rate Deck creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff. We have multiple carriers for
International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right now so we can use their LCR. Our other carriers aren't very successful with Intl. Thinq's rate deck to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making it around 215,000 lines. The carrier(s) that have the lowest
cost for each prefix varies, so i can't turn off the most expensive three or something like that. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then averaging them and creating my rate from that average and then only allow Thinq to go 3 carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there any best practices? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit margin? Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for wholesale, but if you call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004. Your rate would be 0.0054 for retail
and 0.0048, which is nothing. We have been doing something like If your cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or 20% or whatever. however, that doesn't always work if the cost is super close to your target. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating decks? is there software that can help my puny brain think through this? <u></u><u></u></p>
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