<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>*nods* it's the transport piece I don't have. Transport to all of these tandems at reasonable prices. I figured since they did have those pieces, it'd be a good alternative. Maybe not.<br><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<br><br><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"VoiceOps" <voiceops@voiceops.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:20:43 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems<br><br>Inteliquent has several products:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Outbound IXC termination - good for sending translated toll free calls. They give you money for sending the calls.</div><div class="">LTS - inbound and outbound local/local toll exchange with inteliquent members. Not an A-Z product, but the cheapest way to send calls to tmo/comcast/etc. You get the calls back through this too.</div><div class="">IXC terminating inbound - they become the tandem of record in the LERG for your interlata traffic. I think they give you a cut of the tandem transit fee they charge IXCs but it's been a while since I read the contract.</div><div class="">AIA - outbound LD product, not A-Z - super competitive rates to on-net carriers and a few others they get a deal on. If someone else uses this, it comes in the IXC terminating inbound and you bill inteliquent's CIC for the inbound inter carrier compensation where applicable. They make their money in not having to pay the tandem transit and other crap that an IXC would ordinarily pay to terminate, but they still pay the terminating carrier's inter carrier comp.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Local interconnection service - mostly for interconnected voip. You use their switches too interconnect. Not cheaper than doing it yourself, unless you don't already have a TDM switch and SS7 links and transport. If you lack either of the 3, it can work out financially.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Aug 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">I wanted to note that I am still interested in working with competitive tandem providers for "on-net" calls... calls among their customers, without ever hitting an ILEC tandem.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, now that I look at their web page... it says it allows me to receive both local and long distance calls using that service... which seems to conflict with what the sales guy told me. *sigh*<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Midwest Internet Exchange<br class=""><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="zwchr" class=""><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, August 9, 2019 2:42:37 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems<br class=""><br class=""><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">I'm evaluating methods of extending our footprint. I purposely left out company names.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One of the companies we talked to was really only interested in getting us the inbound long distance calls, not the local ones. Well, they would, but the terms were vastly different.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Given that I still need to build out to connect to the local tandem, what's the point in using a third party to connect to long distance?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are the terms for connecting to the local tandems different because the access tandem is simpler, whereas the local tandem could potentially involve connections to a bunch of other switches, once volume dictated I needed direct connections... and they don't want to deal with that?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are there third parties that don't have vastly different terms for local tandem services?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, is it likely that I just don't understand what's going on? I went circles with the sales rep to make sure I understood what he was saying, but I could be wrong.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com" class="" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Midwest Internet Exchange<br class="">http://www.midwest-ix.com<br class=""><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">VoiceOps mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" class="" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<br class=""></div><br class=""></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">VoiceOps mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br></div></body></html>