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    <font size="+1">Yes, I believe that is the case today. In the new
      "delegated certificate" model the VoIP provider (or CPaaS
      provider) will be provided a certificate from the OCN that is used
      for the ANI. This delegated certificate will give the downstream
      carriers A level Attestation for the calls regardless of where the
      outbound calls are originated.<br>
      <br>
      Ultimately it is the originating Enterprise that needs to be
      traceable from the terminating carrier. Once this relationship
      chain has been vetted the certificates can be delegated and used
      at call set up time. NetNumber has a service for brokering the
      Certificates but the spec is not fully adopted to my knowledge.<br>
      <br>
      Another proposal at ATIS is to have the sending CNAM (and expanded
      eCNAM) validated with a similar vetted relationship and
      certificate chain. Ultimately this may be more useful for both the
      Enterprise and the Callee than just the ANI.<br>
      <br>
      ~Glen<br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/16/2019 11:40, Mary Lou Carey
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:db620c0a573de7c1550236bbc8272837@backuptelecom.com">So
      it sounds to me like you just have to be a certified carrier to
      get a STIR/SHAKEN certificate. That means either a CLEC, 
      Wireless, or Interconnected VOIP Carrier. The VOIP carriers that
      are not certified by the FCC as Interconnected VOIP carriers
      cannot be assigned an OCN.
      <br>
      <br>
      MARY LOU CAREY
      <br>
      BackUP Telecom Consulting
      <br>
      Office: 615-791-9969
      <br>
      Cell: 615-796-1111
      <br>
      <br>
      On 2019-08-16 01:32 PM, Calvin Ellison wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">As explained to me by TransNexus, the
        Certificate Authorities will
        <br>
        most likely require an OCN. VoIP carriers with their own
        numbering
        <br>
        resources already have their IPES category OCN. It's also
        possible
        <br>
        they might only require a SPID.
        <br>
        <br>
        Regards,
        <br>
        <br>
        CALVIN ELLISON
        <br>
        Senior Voice Operations Engineer
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        On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:02 AM Dovid Bender
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dovid@telecurve.com"><dovid@telecurve.com></a>
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        wrote:
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        <blockquote type="cite">Alex,
          <br>
          <br>
          You would think so. From what I understand you will need to be
          a LEC
          <br>
          to get a cert.
          <br>
          <br>
          On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 10:33 AM Alex Balashov
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com"><abalashov@evaristesys.com></a> wrote:
          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">If non-LEC VoIP providers can direct
            own numbering resources now,
            <br>
            it follows that they should be able to partake of
            STIR/SHAKEN.
            <br>
            <br>
            —
            <br>
            Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.
            <br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 16, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Dovid
              Bender <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dovid@telecurve.com"><dovid@telecurve.com></a>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
            wrote:
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <br>
              As I understand it if one wants to get a cert for STIR
              shaken
              <br>
            </blockquote>
            you need to become a CLEC. Anyone have a how to/contacts for
            <br>
            companies that make this effortless and easy?
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
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