<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">An article relevant to this discussion: <a href="https://www.nojitter.com/e-911/are-you-ready-new-e911-regulations">https://www.nojitter.com/e-911/are-you-ready-new-e911-regulations</a></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px"><table width="300" border="0" style="font-size:12.8px"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family:"Courier New",Courier,monospace;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:10px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1px;border-top-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">/Brandon</span><br><b><br></b></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM Kyle McGinnis <<a href="mailto:kmcginnis@bandwidth.com">kmcginnis@bandwidth.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I work for Bandwidth and we are a 911 provider. The new law does require<br>
the phone companies to make sure they have the right features to be<br>
compliant but the law imposes the compliance ON THE ENTERPRISE manager of<br>
their phone system. We vendors and carriers have manufacture the car with<br>
a seat belt. It is the driver of the car (the enterprise) that gets a<br>
ticket if they do not buckle up (comply - as in update the address data).<br>
<br>
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From: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Carey<br>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:19 AM<br>
To: Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com" target="_blank">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] RAY BAUMS Act - How are people planning on<br>
complying?<br>
<br>
I don't think that you would be held responsible if the customer refused<br>
to install phones, BUT.......it would be to your benefit to know the laws<br>
regarding how many phones are required in a big building because it would<br>
help cover your butt at the same time it would increases your sales.<br>
<br>
So if that company were my customer, I'd say something like .'Did you know<br>
that the law requires you to have a working phone every "_____" sq feet?<br>
If you don't want to pay the full amount for an outside line, an<br>
alternative option that's not as costly for you is to have us set you up<br>
with a phone that only connects to the operator and emergency services.<br>
That way you're covered if there's an emergency and you don't have to<br>
worry about being sued should one of your employees not be able to reach<br>
911 in time!"<br>
<br>
<br>
MARY LOU CAREY<br>
BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>
Office: 615-791-9969<br>
Cell: 615-796-1111<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-23 03:54 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:<br>
> The number one user of 911 service for us is a chain of urgent care<br>
> clinics that use our hosted service. Several times a week, someone<br>
> will casually walk in saying they think they're having a heart attack<br>
> or stroke. Some drive by the ER to get there. So yeah, what Mary<br>
> said. And if you read the cases that lead to these laws, you will see<br>
> a string of poor decisions leading to injury and death.<br>
><br>
> I haven't figured out how they will break out responsible parties on<br>
> all of this. As a hosted provider, are we bound to FORCE people to<br>
> put phones in the right places? To buy more phones/DIDs and pay for<br>
> more 911 locations? Or do we need to just tell them that they are<br>
> responsible for it? I can't quite get a solid answer on this also.<br>
><br>
> For example, we have a customer whose manufacturing facility is well<br>
> over the size that would allow a phone or two as legal coverage. They<br>
> have balked at putting phones out ever 6-7k square feet on poles and<br>
> such. Is that our problem? I don't think so.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:21 PM Mary Lou Carey<br>
> <<a href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com" target="_blank">marylou@backuptelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Logically it makes sense that if your phone says it can't make 911<br>
>> calls, you would look for another phone. The problem is that when<br>
>> people are in survival mode or trauma mode, they don't do things that<br>
>> make sense! When I was much younger I worked for a medical clinic and<br>
>> I remember them telling us that if there's a natural disaster people<br>
>> may show up at the clinic thinking it's a hospital because when<br>
>> people are in trauma mode, they don't think rationally. They'll do<br>
>> crazy things.....like call their doctor when they're having a heart<br>
>> attack and ask if they should go to the hospital or show up at a<br>
>> clinic thinking it's a hospital and demand immediate care.<br>
>><br>
>> I think the same mentality applies here. People see a phone and if it<br>
>> has a dial tone they will attempt to make a 911 call regardless of<br>
>> whether there's a sticker stating that it can't make 911 calls. So<br>
>> its always best to provide 911 service if your customers can<br>
>> originate calls.<br>
>><br>
>> To get 911 service for your customers you can either order 911 trunks<br>
>> for each county through the ILEC (the expensive route) or you can<br>
>> connect with a VOIP 911 provider that will establish two diverse<br>
>> connections between them and your switch. You just send the VOIP 911<br>
>><br>
>> provider the traffic and they'll take care of routing your calls to<br>
>> the appropriate PSAP. You're just responsible for keeping your<br>
>> customer's address location up to date in the ALI database.<br>
>><br>
>> I know at one time that there was a ruling that you had to provide<br>
>> your customer a way to update their location if you allowed them to<br>
>> move their phone to another location. I don't know if that was<br>
>> changed or the work around still remains that you can put a sticker<br>
>> on the phone stating that if you move your phone to another location<br>
>> it may not connect to the right 911 center. At any rate.....I<br>
>> wouldn't mess around with providing 911 services because the FCC<br>
>> doesn't consider it optional. The only waiver I"m aware of is the one<br>
>> that states your customers are only terminating traffic onto your<br>
>> network....not making any originating calls!<br>
>><br>
>> MARY LOU CAREY<br>
>> BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>
>> Office: 615-791-9969<br>
>> Cell: 615-796-1111<br>
>><br>
>> On 2020-01-23 01:47 PM, Pete Mundy wrote:<br>
>>> I guess different people have different interpretation of that<br>
>> wording<br>
>>> :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> To me it seems UNreasonable to assume that a phone or device with<br>
>> a<br>
>>> sticker on it that says "This phone does not work for emergency<br>
>> calls"<br>
>>> can call emergency services.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 24/01/2020, at 6:46 AM, Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com" target="_blank">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I believe that the stickers on home phones may not really cover<br>
>> the<br>
>>>> liability. The wording is something like: A phone or device<br>
>> that a<br>
>>>> person would reasonably assume can call emergency services." So<br>
>> the<br>
>>>> softphone is obviously different, but a physical phone at home<br>
>> seems<br>
>>>> like it must still work properly.<br>
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