<div dir="ltr">Try sending 811 to your upstreams, and see what happens, I'd be curious. It seems odd to think that Intelliquent and Bandwidth are violating the law by using those as 911 test numbers.<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:55 AM Hiers, David <<a href="mailto:David.Hiers@cdk.com">David.Hiers@cdk.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’m not up on the final status, but 811 started off being not all that optional…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“require the use of 811 as the national abbreviated dialing code for providing advanced notice of excavation activities to underground facility operators within two years after publication of this Order in the Federal Register…”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“The 811 abbreviated dialing code shall be deployed ubiquitously by carriers…”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlos Alvarez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ed Guy <<a href="mailto:edguy@eguy.org" target="_blank">edguy@eguy.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Three Digit Numbers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Context matters here, i think. We are a business-only provider, we don't have any residential. That means that we probably serve people with fewer need for some of these services. We have a customer that's a major road construction company,
and they've never dialed 811. They know WHO to call, and don't need this national system at all.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We do have a big list of 911-inclusive dialing patters like that, an 9911, etc.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our only international users are call centers owned by US companies, and have specifically asked us to block 911. I can't find any regulation requiring us to provide them with emergency dialing on softphones used for a call center.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Like Nick, we used to route 411 to Free411, but during a major system revamp, we saw that it had only ever been dialed twice--during testing. So we didn't re-implement it in the new system.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In our state, 511 is for traffic info, but again, we don't handle that and nobody has complained. It's 2020, people use the web.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:26 AM Ed Guy <<a href="mailto:edguy@eguy.org" target="_blank">edguy@eguy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nationalnanpa.com_number-5Fresource-5Finfo_n11-5Fcodes.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=tl9zw0D7cTZtm62zcgN7LHwxsuqcTXVyUuJPEaOe8hE&s=ARmkQAWsporAHBisnvO-3jazn6o7Gh23P4I-9tRpKFg&e=" target="_blank">
https://nationalnanpa.com/number_resource_info/n11_codes.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Couple things to keep in mind –
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<p class="MsoNormal">Consider handling 112 and 999 if your service might be used internationally.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also – not sure where the current regulation is on this, but the requirements around 911 suggest handling
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all sorts of additional dialing patterns, e.g., 1010xxx911, et al. Much of this is legacy, but be aware.
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:20 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Three Digit Numbers</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We're in the US, and yes 811 is the underground utility line, but I don't think any of our carriers will pass it. I don't recall the details on who does what, but carriers like
Intelliquent, Bandwidth, and thinQ all do 911 testing on 711/811. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, I just tried 811 to Intelliquent and it read back my phone number.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:black">We don't handle any others in a traditional way. Well, 611 is actually in place, to our support line, but it has never
once been used. 811 and 711 are used for 911 testing without a real 911 call, as carriers mostly use those for automated systems that return your 911 info.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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