<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thank you Glen and Paul, much appreciated! </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:19 PM Glen Gerhard <<a href="mailto:glen@cognexus.net">glen@cognexus.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <font size="+1">Sounds like a good plan to me. It might help to
      figure out a few test call paths to verify the verstats directly.<br>
      <br>
      IMHO much of the S/S technology will be overshadowed by the
      analytics providers in terms of call presentation/blocking. <br>
      <br>
      That said, S/S will be helpful to law agencies in tracking
      malicious intent groups. This alone makes it worth the effort. A
      lot of the work /benefit takes place at the vetting of corporate
      ownership. S/S also provides Rich Call Data which replaces the
      pathetic CNAM.<br>
      <br>
      The Delegated Certs extension will help with the call center
      attestations but is still a ways off. Then you need your SBCs and
      PBXs to support it.<br>
      <br>
      SIPNOC is next week and it's usually helpful.<br>
      <a href="https://www.sipforum.org/news-events/sipnoc-2020-overview/#topics" target="_blank">https://www.sipforum.org/news-events/sipnoc-2020-overview/#topics</a><br>
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      ~Glen<br>
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    <div>On 12/2/2020 1:49 PM, Patrick Labbett
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello, I'm
          looking for guidance/feedback on the impact of STIR/SHAKEN on
          the call center and answering service industries. Very few are
          interconnected VoIP service providers themselves. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Specifically,
          customers of these industries often desire the call center
          utilize their company phone number when contacting their
          employees or customers for an improved end-user experience. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The worry is
          that STIR/SHAKEN will be implemented in a way that causes
          these "spoofed" calls (that have legitimate
          business relationships in place) to be marked as such or
          eventually blocked as STIR/SHAKEN tightens it's grip on
          malicious intent. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Here is my
          understanding of the situation: As a customer of an
          Originating carrier, the Call Center's outbound calls will be
          signed by their Originating carrier's STIR/SHAKEN certificate
          - so as long as the SIP Identity header isn't modified in
          transit and the certificate is validated on the Terminating
          side, everything should continue to work normally for us as
          end users. So this is largely the carrier's problem, and not
          the call centers.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">However, it's
          not clear (to me) how the Attestation aspect of things will
          work (and if it even effects the typical customer): </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">
          <ul>
            <li style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Does just
              being a customer of the Originating Carrier give the Call
              Center's calls Full Attestation?</li>
            <li style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As a call
              center, if spoofing a number not owned/in inventory, would
              that be Partial Attestation?</li>
            <li style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Does the
              owner/location of the spoofed number matter, i.e. :</li>
            <ul style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
              <li>Partial Attestation: Number owned by Originating
                carrier, but not by customer making call</li>
              <li>Gateway Attestation: Number not owned by Originating
                carrier (and by extension not owned by customer making
                the call)</li>
            </ul>
            <li><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Will
                different Terminating carriers treat Attestation
                designations differently?</font></li>
            <li>Is this largely a framework that carriers will
              implement some day in the future?</li>
          </ul>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Am I way
            overthinking this? (Yes.) </div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thank you
            in advance for any perspective you can offer, or resources
            you can direct me to. </div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">My
            personal plan of attack for call centers:</div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
            <ul>
              <li>Document permission and business use case for numbers
                spoofed on behalf of customers</li>
              <li>That's it - that's the whole plan. </li>
              <li>????</li>
            </ul>
            <div>Aside from making sure my carriers know I exist and
              that I have permission to use those numbers, what else is
              there?</div>
            <div><br>
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          </div>
          <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">-Patrick
            Labbett</div>
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