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<p>I expect that people will attest spam. But we're allowed to block carriers by spid if we want if we start getting garbage. The effective telecom death penalty that'd create (along with the liability) will be an interesting enforcement mechanism.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:27 PM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My faith in STIR/SHAKEN has all but collapsed. I think we're just going to end up in a situation where even the SPAM is attested. At least having a breadcrumb to follow might help.
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<div>Given the current state of SS. I won't hold my breath.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:44 PM Karl Douthit <<a href="mailto:karl@piratel.com">karl@piratel.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Stir will only help if carriers actually pass or allow tokens. Still waiting on several tier 1 carriers to take them.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 9:35 AM Glen Gerhard <<a href="mailto:glen@cognexus.net" target="_blank">glen@cognexus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="+1">Hopefully Stir/Shaken will make this a moot point. Calvin, are you saying that a 608 is the recommended response for a call that is being rejected due to S/S attestation or CVT reasons?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Today we received a notice from one of our underlying carriers that included the following statement:
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<span style="font-size:11pt; line-height:normal">* If a customer spoofs an ANI that they do not own, the clec's can forward to call to a voiceless Voicemail which</span><span style="font-size:11pt; line-height:normal"> appears to be FAS.</span></p>
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<div>Is there any legal device that actually supports this practice? I'm looking for a specific statute, FCC rule, precedent in a judicial ruling, or the like.</div>
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<div>The FCC has ruled that the SIP 608 response code is to be used for signaling when a call is rejected. I doubt the FCC or FTC has ruled that terminating carriers are permitted to cause loss of trust and revenue between upstream intermediate and originating
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