<div dir="ltr">My faith in STIR/SHAKEN has all but collapsed. I think we're just going to end up in a situation where even the SPAM is attested. At least having a breadcrumb to follow might help.<div><br></div><div>Given the current state of SS. I won't hold my breath.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:44 PM Karl Douthit <<a href="mailto:karl@piratel.com">karl@piratel.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Stir will only help if carriers actually pass or allow tokens. Still waiting on several tier 1 carriers to take them.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 9:35 AM Glen Gerhard <<a href="mailto:glen@cognexus.net" target="_blank">glen@cognexus.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<font size="+1">Hopefully Stir/Shaken will make this a moot point.
Calvin, are you saying that a 608 is the recommended response for
a call that is being rejected due to S/S attestation or CVT
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:15.6933px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;line-height:normal">* If a
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<div>Is there any legal device that actually supports this
practice? I'm looking for a specific statute, FCC rule,
precedent in a judicial ruling, or the like.</div>
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<div>The FCC has ruled that the SIP 608 response code is to be
used for signaling when a call is rejected. I doubt the FCC
or FTC has ruled that terminating carriers are permitted to
cause loss of trust and revenue between upstream
intermediate and originating carriers.</div>
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