<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I don't know. I cannot seem to get my carrier to identify a situation where<br class="">I would want to terminate a call and the LRN I would get back would be<br class="">732040xxxx or similar. <br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">It never will. The code is unrouteable. I'm sure it exists in the LERG somewhere for some sort of pANI or billing purpose, but that doesn't make it a routable code.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I'm trying to figure out if I don't know something or if my termination carrier is mildly nutso.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The people making the rate deck have no idea how the network actually works. They just think it costs X to terminate a call to pac bell or whatever so they include it, despite it not being a dialable code.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Unless it will occur and there's something I don't know or understand.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">In 20 years of running </span><a href="http://telcodata.us" class="">telcodata.us</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">, and 15 years of running the network of a regional CLEC, I've never seen any code like that in the network outside of AT&T's weird BTNs (313-K60-xxxx and such) but those again, aren't billable and in that case aren't even really numbers and in any case, don't appear in the PSTN at all, just in category 11 files and on bills and ASRs and LSRs)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">-Paul</span><br class=""><div class="">
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<div style=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 27, 2021, at 12:08 AM, Peter Beckman <<a href="mailto:beckman@angryox.com" class="">beckman@angryox.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">On Wed, 26 May 2021, Alex Balashov wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Where does this conflict emerge in practice? Do customers call numbers in<br class="">this exchange? Do you get billed for calls (less any LRN dip fees) to this<br class="">exchange even though none of your wholesale termination vendors can route it?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I don't know. I cannot seem to get my carrier to identify a situation where<br class="">I would want to terminate a call and the LRN I would get back would be<br class="">732040xxxx or similar. They keep telling me that it exists in the LERG6 and<br class="">LERG6ATC and LERG6ODD, and that's fine, but why would it be in an NPANXX<br class="">rate deck???<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, 26 May 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">How are you even getting operator assisted calls onto your network to begin<br class="">with? Do you have an operator service you still pay for?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I'm not, AFAIK. This is a termination deck. I don't even know of a phone<br class="">number that would return an LRN like this. I'm trying to figure out if I<br class="">don't know something or if my termination carrier is mildly nutso.<br class=""><br class="">On Thu, 27 May 2021, Jamie Montgomery wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">There is an entry for 732040A.. OCN refers back to Verizon of Jew Jersey. The<br class="">Rate Center is all X's, so it's a special code of some kind.. cant be assinged<br class="">to an originating number, I dont believe.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">And that's what I'm trying to figure out. I believe the same, but if this<br class="">is true, why would a termination rate deck include 732040 as an LRN prefix<br class="">so we can do LCR? Why include a rate in a deck that will never occur?<br class=""><br class="">Unless it will occur and there's something I don't know or understand.<br class=""><br class="">Thus this thread. :-)<br class=""><br class="">Beckman<br class="">---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">Peter Beckman Internet Guy<br class=""><a href="mailto:beckman@angryox.com" class="">beckman@angryox.com</a> <a href="http://www.angryox.com/" class="">http://www.angryox.com/</a><br class="">---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">VoiceOps mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" class="">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>