<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>$3.19 is right around 24% of 33.4% of $39.95. Maybe Comcast's traffic studies show that 24% of phone traffic is interstate, so that's the amount that gets the USF charge?<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<br><br><span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Matthew Yaklin" <myaklin@firstlight.net><br><b>To: </b>"Peter Beckman" <beckman@angryox.com>, "Ed Guy" <edguy@eguy.org><br><b>Cc: </b>voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:07:53 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] USF is 33.4% for 2Q2021<br><br>A comcast business package looks like this right now for a small biz:<br><br>Internet - 69.95<br>Voice line - 39.95<br>Voice equipment fee - 18.45 (that is hilarious to convert their coax signal to fxs)<br><br>FUSF - 3.19<br>Regulatory cost recovery - 1.36<br>Voice network investment - 3.00 (wtf)<br>Directory listing mgmt fee - 2.00 <br>Sales tax - 4.22<br>911 fees - 1.50<br><br>Grand total - 143.62<br><br>Where and how is that 3.19 calculated? <br><br>I am curious as well.<br><br>Matt<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Peter Beckman<br>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:58 PM<br>To: Ed Guy <edguy@eguy.org><br>Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org<br>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] USF is 33.4% for 2Q2021<br><br>Ed -- I'd love to see more data on this. Where did your understanding come from?<br><br>I looked at my cellular bill last night, and on 4 lines, the "Fed Universal Service Charge" was a total of $1.88 on a total bill of about $180 (about<br>$160 of it was just the monthly fee for 4 plans).<br><br>Does anyone know how the wireless companies pay USF? E.g. they are paying 33.4% on what exactly?<br><br>Beckman<br><br>On Thu, 10 Jun 2021, Ed Guy wrote:<br><br>> What service features of the service are subject to USF?<br>> is it only charged on retail land-line replacement or at multiple levels as a value-add?<br>> My understanding is that cellular services do not pay USF ( but, when <br>> we had a cell company several years ago, all taxes were outsourced..)<br>><br>><br>> On 6/10/21, 1:07 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov"<br>> <voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org on behalf of abalashov@evaristesys.com><br>> wrote:<br>><br>> That, and, while I am not at all an expert on what can and can't be<br>> recovered from customers, it was my impression that not 100% of USF can<br>> be passed on.<br>><br>> On 6/10/21 1:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:<br>><br>> > Except that some of us specifically sell "bottom line" pricing that is<br>> > not variable and not padded with 20 lines of fees and taxes. Because<br>> > our ILEC is known for quoting $100 and billing $130-150 actual price.<br>> ><br>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 9:38 AM Paul Timmins <paul@timmins.net> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > On 6/10/21 6:23 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > Yeah, observing it as an outsider who is not a service provider,<br>> > I'm a<br>> > > little shocked to say the least. It's hard to understand where that<br>> > > kind of money is supposed to come from with the margins in this<br>> > business.<br>> > ><br>> > Passthru fees to the end user, duh. There's nothing us telcos can't<br>> > cram<br>> > on the bottom of the bill.<br>> ><br>> > Customers are gonna be ticked, but what ya gonna do. It's a line item<br>> > now, and a line item later.<br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Peter Beckman Internet Guy<br>beckman@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/<br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br>VoiceOps@voiceops.org<br>https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<br>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br>VoiceOps@voiceops.org<br>https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<br></div><br></div></body></html>