<div dir="ltr">I most often see this happen to avoid complaints about calls terminating to cloud IP addresses or IP addresses outside the USA. <br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:800;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:800;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:800;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Calvin Ellison</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Systems Architect</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="mailto:calvin.ellison@voxox.com" target="_blank">calvin.ellison@voxox.com</a></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">+1 (213) 285-0555</span><span style="font-size:2.25pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="http://voxox.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:139px;height:53px"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/IpUfF3j5Y4T9UmEfLISsHXhgSenc131vheivxwdo6oyzyT1i5KfVnK8cftA1Qx-APliNpMTLx5PUOZ6k1lXHgMZvDXTXKkOWDpmXMlUcmsoKBZQIE_wip4sS8XMtdryakordMboW" width="139" height="53" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></a></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/VOXOX/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:27px;height:27px"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/qS_cwPUkKDN7UEAMffT5cjE1qN41OWxwS8HKu2DZi8R9OfYZCrdVxxPsyJy_SOaTDjWHjPAsBAzGnrgiSgrqDFWQKoi1HAdYUldZOtUQY_2EH0FC7M67fPko4xEmw7yfwiIpnRIF" width="27" height="27" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/voxoxofficial/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:26px;height:26px"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AFGDGW3w1Yco24kAphoI6UZW170z44YjZpLZ0rHGRfCDNyctuD4DkIYooDbxEoJxrv0NQ4TswSWA4k0FPOD6w5v_ZFadQmeoXHhP1rgeZXdoLV7n-1PGxYhi31pbte1GHYwURny8" width="26" height="26" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/3573541/admin/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova",sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:26px;height:26px"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/skcophrAnEg1jyCTXau3hMbh0GF9b1TeZ-SdROEZ0OxxHuTRKGNTS_lYIh2LIdgJ6rLTL1LMUVOlhxrHm7hxZ6p8XfYovu7xd-tXhvU1OEm4Hi6niWF6Trr7EfMFqGoLNMMeyYqk" width="26" height="26" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap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received this communication in error, please notify me immediately.</span></p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 9:16 AM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I should add that my initial intent was the voice ecosystem, aside from the end-users. For those, usually it's one of the things we all already know.<div><br></div><div>Why would carrier A have "good quality", while carrier B didn't?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I had a conversation with a customer about quality being more important than price. A lot of things come to mind right away (such as diversity, latency, jitter, packet loss, etc.), but I'm looking for what I don't know.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>orrrr</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Are there just that many poorly ran companies where the low-hanging fruit I'm brushing aside is where almost all of the problems occur?</div><div><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br><a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br><br><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="gmail-m_-4474267033357191727gmail-m_-5976346594203163285zwchr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, June 13, 2021 1:11:30 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[VoiceOps] Call Quality<br><br><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I've heard a variety of complaints and concerns over the years about call quality. How are these quality issues introduced? As long as pipes and equipment aren't overloaded, where is a quality issue to come from?<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Obviously, the closer you are to the handsets, the less opportunity there is for issues. What else is there to take into account?<br><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br><a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br><br><span></span><br></div><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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