
<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I have IXes in areas where Inteliquent and Peerless have POPs. They haven't had any interest.<div><br></div><div>I don't understand.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<br><br><span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"Pete Mundy" <pete@mac.geek.nz>, "VoiceOps" <voiceops@voiceops.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:53:47 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth East Coast Issues<br><br>I just looked into all the big wholesalers, and they all have terrible peering policies, and are rarely at public exchanges even when it would be trivial *looks at Inteliquent and Equinox Chicago* this is kind of embarrassing for the industry.<br class="">

<div><br class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Sep 26, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">That announcement by VoIP.ms predates the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bandwidth.com/" class="" target="_blank">bandwidth.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>resolution.</span></font><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">Also, why wouldn't VoIP.MS (or rather, their host webhosting companies) have PNIs with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bandwidth.com/" class="" target="_blank">bandwidth.com</a>? <span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Oh, well, maybe because like many other VoIP providers, their IP network sucks. Few POPs, no IXes, a technical activity (BGP peering) requires a trip to the account team, etc.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><a href="https://peeringdb.com/net/1835" class="" target="_blank">https://peeringdb.com/net/1835</a></span></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class=""><a href="https://radar.qrator.net/as12130/peerings#startDate=2021-06-26&endDate=2021-09-26&tab=current" class="" target="_blank">https://radar.qrator.net/as12130/peerings#startDate=2021-06-26&endDate=2021-09-26&tab=current</a></span></font><br class=""><br class=""><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Midwest Internet Exchange<br class=""><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="zwchr" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Pete Mundy via VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" class="" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday, September 26, 2021 1:47:18 AM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth East Coast Issues<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Not sure if Slashdot does...<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/26/0014216/voipms-battles-week-long-sustained-ddos-for-ransom-attack" class="" target="_blank">https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/09/26/0014216/voipms-battles-week-long-sustained-ddos-for-ransom-attack</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On 26/09/2021, at 12:47 PM, Peter Beckman via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> BW Considers the incident resolved.<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">VoiceOps mailing list<br class="">VoiceOps@voiceops.org<br class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<br class=""></div><br class=""></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -we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