<div dir="auto">Because they aren't att, vz, sprint or t-mobile, as well as being a voip company and thus not a 'real' phone company. Not a household name. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Give it a few more days and it will pop up on a few web networks but the only mention you'll see otherwise is how you can't trust voip companies to stay up.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 5:32 PM Mark Wiles via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 27, 2021 8:04 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth - Monday Outage<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I never watch news, but I would have expected my news cycle addict friends to be asking me by now. Hmm. There have to be some three letter agencies fully involved, too.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bandwidth is a $2.5B publicly traded company... how is this not national news?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Would it? Or would SIP/TLS supplant that? <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The VZ VPN requirement was a bad solution to a paranoid delusion that really didnt solve anything.
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<p>As were all being dragged kicking and screaming into TLS based peering for the sake of SHAKEN/STIR why not fully embrace what it provides?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do we know this is a SIP/RTP targeted volumetric attack and those arent
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just collateral damage in a more plebian attack aimed ad portals/apis or <br>
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On 9/27/2021 1:48 PM, Jay Hennigan via VoiceOps wrote:<br>
> On 9/27/21 13:30, Darren via VoiceOps wrote:<br>
>> I know it’s hard to be patient but I can’t imagine they’re NOT all <br>
>> hands on deck.<br>
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>> The reality is probably that the DDoS attack is now so big, they <br>
>> can’t handle it on their own, so they’re scrambling to contract out <br>
>> with another provider who can handle it. That would explain why the <br>
>> BGP routes they advertise have shifted. These DDoS products typically <br>
>> take weeks to setup, so they’re likely having to scramble. I’ll be <br>
>> surprised if this does NOT continue tomorrow (unfortunately).<br>
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> From my understanding this is not your typical volumetric DDoS but <br>
> something specific to SIP or VoIP and thus the typical scrubbing <br>
> services aren't going to be effective against the voice side of things.<br>
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> Obviously they are keeping things close to the vest in order not to <br>
> give too much information to the bad guys but I agree that it may take <br>
> some time to resolve.<br>
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>> *From: *VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> on behalf of Carlos
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>> Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> *Date: *Monday, September 27, 2021 at 1:23 PM<br>
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>> Generic SIP client here, and the ongoing "continue to investigate" <br>
>> notices are infuriatingly like "we have no damn clue what we're <br>
>> doing." Try explaining to customers why it's not "our fault*" and <br>
>> that there's no way to estimate a repair time.<br>
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> I think the ongoing "continue to investigate" messages are fine. <br>
> They're obviously dealing with a major incident and trying their best <br>
> to keep their customers informed. This IMHO beats silence.<br>
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>> *Our fault for choosing them I guess, but not something we can fix in <br>
>> minutes.<br>
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> The same thing could and has affected others. <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fVoip.ms&c=E,1,Fp6Nhg6BP8_CqPyCOWiaM9wOMsCx0CCgsZJDSqGHmgIdSMb0YsiF_gJCAjs0_Y0nT7F9JY-rWJCokZTX57EPLWMlERlN6MAhKatc-HqS4CpBO4xjYJZNCGIK&typo=1&ancr_add=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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> with a similar attack for at least a week. We've had excellent service <br>
> from Bandwidth for years and I trust that they will be able to get <br>
> through this as well as anyone.<br>
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> It's the nature of the legacy PSTN that redundant providers or fast <br>
> failover for inbound calling isn't (yet) a thing.<br>
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