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    <p>Would it? Or would SIP/TLS supplant that? <br>
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    <p>The VZ VPN requirement was a bad solution to a paranoid delusion
      that really didnt solve anything. <br>
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    <p>As were all being dragged kicking and screaming into TLS based
      peering for the sake of SHAKEN/STIR why not fully embrace what it
      provides? <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:27
          AM Ryan Delgrosso <<a href="mailto:ryandelgrosso@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryandelgrosso@gmail.com</a>>
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          we know this is a SIP/RTP targeted volumetric attack and those
          arent <br>
          just collateral damage in a more plebian attack aimed ad
          portals/apis or <br>
          routers?<br>
          <br>
          I can understand them being tight lipped but some transparency
          helps the <br>
          situation.<br>
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          I wonder if DHS is involved yet?<br>
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          On 9/27/2021 1:48 PM, Jay Hennigan via VoiceOps wrote:<br>
          > On 9/27/21 13:30, Darren via VoiceOps wrote:<br>
          >> I know it’s hard to be patient but I can’t imagine
          they’re NOT all <br>
          >> hands on deck.<br>
          >><br>
          >> The reality is probably that the DDoS attack is now
          so big, they <br>
          >> can’t handle it on their own, so they’re scrambling
          to contract out <br>
          >> with another provider who can handle it. That would
          explain why the <br>
          >> BGP routes they advertise have shifted. These DDoS
          products typically <br>
          >> take weeks to setup, so they’re likely having to
          scramble. I’ll be <br>
          >> surprised if this does NOT continue tomorrow
          (unfortunately).<br>
          ><br>
          > From my understanding this is not your typical volumetric
          DDoS but <br>
          > something specific to SIP or VoIP and thus the typical
          scrubbing <br>
          > services aren't going to be effective against the voice
          side of things.<br>
          ><br>
          > Obviously they are keeping things close to the vest in
          order not to <br>
          > give too much information to the bad guys but I agree
          that it may take <br>
          > some time to resolve.<br>
          ><br>
          >> *From: *VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>>
          on behalf of Carlos <br>
          >> Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com" target="_blank">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br>
          >> *Date: *Monday, September 27, 2021 at 1:23 PM<br>
          ><br>
          >> Generic SIP client here, and the ongoing "continue to
          investigate" <br>
          >> notices are infuriatingly like "we have no damn clue
          what we're <br>
          >> doing."  Try explaining to customers why it's not
          "our fault*" and <br>
          >> that there's no way to estimate a repair time.<br>
          ><br>
          > I think the ongoing "continue to investigate" messages
          are fine. <br>
          > They're obviously dealing with a major incident and
          trying their best <br>
          > to keep their customers informed. This IMHO beats
          silence.<br>
          ><br>
          >> *Our fault for choosing them I guess, but not
          something we can fix in <br>
          >> minutes.<br>
          ><br>
          > The same thing could and has affected others. Voip.ms has
          been dealing <br>
          > with a similar attack for at least a week. We've had
          excellent service <br>
          > from Bandwidth for years and I trust that they will be
          able to get <br>
          > through this as well as anyone.<br>
          ><br>
          > It's the nature of the legacy PSTN that redundant
          providers or fast <br>
          > failover for inbound calling isn't (yet) a thing.<br>
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