<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Should, yes... but doesn't exist in the adversarial carrier environment we operate in. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">As soon as you can prove (and have the orig customer to validate), their call goes through their mobile (for example) but not the landline (or vice versa) - that should be enough for the orig customer to understand... and open a ticket with the orig carrier which isn't routing the call properly</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Yes - not a pleasant / productive experience, but the exponentially larger effort Mike would have to put in, isn't commensurate with the reduction in the pain-in-the-butt for the orig customer. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">These types of issues suck to troubleshoot. One time we had to convince a mobile carrier they were dropping calls to users on their own network. One of our call centre clients, working as an outsourcer for that mobile carrier, had brought us a bunch of cases (with call recordings and all) where calls were un-naturally being cut off. Not a fun exercise. They fixed it in the end, but it tooks us several months of kicking and screaming through the mobile carrier's bureaucracy to get to the right team and explain the statistical impossibility of what was happening ... to convince them they have a problem. I still get twitches thinking about it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="10" valign="top" style="width:7.5pt;padding:7.5pt 22.5pt 0cm 7.5pt"><p><a href="https://www.startelecom.ca/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.startelecom.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Star-Telecom-Genesys-Partner-Logo-4.png" width="88" height="96" alt=" Star Telecom - Cloud Communications and Customer Experience Solutions"></a><br></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-right:1pt solid rgb(177,177,177);padding:0cm"></td><td valign="top" style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 15pt"><p><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Ivan Kovacevic</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(173,173,173)"><br></span><font size="1" color="#999999"><i>Co-Founder and VP Client Services<br></i></font></font></p><p><br></p></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 3:43 PM Mark Wiles <<a href="mailto:mwiles@akabis.com">mwiles@akabis.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">But there-in is the pain-in-the-butt factor…<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Getting an orig customer to call their carrier and report such issues… “hey, it’s not my problem… the phone call should work… why should I call ________ (insert carrier name) “Verizon” and sit on hold for 48 minutes to complain about an
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 27, 2021 3:22 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Calls Not Reaching Us<u></u><u></u></p>
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