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<p>100% agree here. This is cartel / monopoly behavior and should be
attacked as such. <br>
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<p>The facts as I understand them are: <br>
</p>
<ol>
<li>All API originated traffic is considered A2P regardless of if
its an app with a physical single person thumbing in messages at
the far end. API involved = A2P. Done (lets ignore the fact that
iMessage and Android messaging are now API as well) <br>
</li>
<li>This means all non MNO traffic is A2P and subject to the fees</li>
<li>If my customers who are single/small users, cancelled my
service and signed up for VZW they would get the same service
(actually much less) but not have to deal with this (this is the
sort of antitrust behavior Microsoft has been sued for and lost
multiple times over). <br>
</li>
<li>TCR is in effect levying a tax, but is a private entity, whose
proceeds and use thereof are not public record. Honestly I
cannot figure out what the cost justification for the whole
thing really is or how they arrived at the pricing. <br>
</li>
</ol>
<p>Are we complying? Yes because the average customer simply doesn't
/ wont care why their messages aren't going through and presume
you are at fault / incompetent. This isn't the hill I am going to
pick to die on. <br>
</p>
<p>What we are doing is passing this through nearly 100% with links
on our invoices to a page explaining why this is happening. This
gives us to the penny accounting as well as we are quite keen to
join any class-action suit on the topic. I may start one if I can
find counsel and enough to join in. <br>
</p>
<p>We can all thank Ajit Pai for this. SMS is a telecom service not
a data service. There is no longer a differentiation, data =
telecom today. <br>
</p>
<p>-Ryan <br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2021 11:30 AM, Carlos Alvarez
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<div dir="ltr">Alarmist is warranted. I am equally perplexed by
the inconsistent rules, the vague language, and by everyone
insisting that T-Mobile will unilaterally issue $10k fines per
message. On what authority? What is the appeals process?
Dozens of questions, nearly no answers.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just sent a text from one of my business numbers in
response to a client who texted it. Is this a campaign?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>The whole thing where everything that's not another cell
phone is considered automated and not P2P seems disgusting, if
not actually illegal and fraudulent.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:16
PM Oren Yehezkely <<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">orenyny@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Nate,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>See a thread I started a few months ago about this
matter.</div>
<div>I got a lot of negative responses for being an
alarmist.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Basically these requirements are set by the
different mobile carriers and they are not the same.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses
(A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of
these</div>
<div>carriers, TCR and even the person who answered you
before.</div>
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<div>I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may
be trying to deter you from using SMS</div>
<div>without registering. You may want to consider using a
different carrier for SMS.</div>
<div>Other carriers will also offer to help you register
with TCR.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free
to contact me off list to see if we can share some
information</div>
<div>on dealing with this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Oren</div>
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3:37 PM Nate Burke <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nate@blastcomm.com</a>>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Sorry if this was
already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on <br>
our Voip Innovations account today that any business
DID's that send SMS <br>
messages to a consumer in any way now have to be
registered with <br>
'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200
signup, and then <br>
potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through
this? Talking <br>
to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI
requirement to be <br>
registered by Dec 15.<br>
<br>
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem
like non-compliance <br>
will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being
referenced.<br>
<br>
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate
campaign at <br>
$10/month?<br>
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