<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 3:46 PM Nathan Anderson via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Exactly & here we are in complete agreement. Carlos seems to be<br>
approaching this discussion from a perspective where modern endpoints<br>
are ubiquitous, which is fine and all, but it's simply not reality.<br>
The number of old key systems and PBXes out in the wild that are still<br>
in active use is not inconsequential and cannot be ignored. We<br>
routinely come in to a new customer's facilities *only* to replace<br>
existing dialtone, because all they are after is better pricing /<br>
better support / etc. and their existing phone system "still works fine<br>
and we have no desire to forklift it out at present,<br>
thank-you-very-much". This often means handing off to it via<br>
multi-port ATA or (best-case but rare) PRI. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, and their switch traps the 9 so you don't have to route it. I may be mistaken, but thought the original question was about routing on a modern switch, where the 9 is not relevant.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hah well (genuinely) good for you. IME it is hard to break people of<br>
some of these habits. And without the outside line prefix, those who<br>
insist on picking up the handset first to get the (simulated) dialtone<br>
have to face the interminable dialing timeouts. I suppose you just<br>
take the position that if they want to avoid that, it's a simple matter<br>
of being willing to change how one does things, and that's how you've<br>
re-trained end users, but I guess we just tend to get the stubborn<br>
complainers?...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I explain to them what happened to the buggy whip makers. Seriously, coddling the lazy is bad for us all.</div><div><br></div><div>Do your users still dial 9 from their fax machines?</div><div><br></div></div></div>