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Hello Alex,<br><br>Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to start a legal discussion; in the end we are probably no lawyers. 😉 <br><br>yes, at least in German/European law this are two different things. Its of course much easier to record a call, especially if one side (like the customer) give consent to it. This happens all the time e.g. for purchases or quality assurance calls, similar as in the US I assume.<br><br>Sharing a recorded call publicly is another thing, and more restricted for obvious reasons.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Henning<br><br>-- <br>Henning Westerholt – <a href="https://skalatan.de/blog/">https://skalatan.de/blog/</a><br>Kamailio services – <a href="https://gilawa.com">https://gilawa.com</a><br><br><blockquote type="cite"> -----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> From: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> On Behalf Of Alex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Balashov via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Sent: Mittwoch, 20. September 2023 18:07<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> To: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I thought I stated the recording law accurately?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording per<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As far<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute against this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> as long as the recording was legally made in the first place.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> -- Alex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of). There are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> party. You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> involved, and they don’t know you’re recording.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > It leads to a complexity that I’m trying to help a customer with now. What if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> someone in AZ (single party) calls a person in CA (all party)? Further, what if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> the server is in AZ, but the caller is in an all party state, and they call a single<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> party state? Etc.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > On Sep 20, 2023 at 2:16:02 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if consent was<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific prohibition<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> against publicising it that I'm aware of.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> —<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Hello,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call publicly on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> this list. For the record, I did not listen to it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how serious<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> the infringement is.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> About the US laws you know of course better, I was just surprised.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Henning<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> --<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Henning Westerholt – <a href="https://skalatan.de/blog/">https://skalatan.de/blog/</a> Kamailio services –<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://gilawa.com">https://gilawa.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> From: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> On Behalf Of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 19:32<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> To: Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Cc: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Here is another link if that one didn't work -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023">https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> %5F<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> September%5F19%5F095014%5FEST-<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F716961616<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> 1%5F714<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:19 PM Christopher Aloi <<a href="mailto:ctaloi@gmail.com">ctaloi@gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> I appreciate the concern, and the thought crossed our minds. He called<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> twice and once ended up in sales and once in support and he didn't seem to be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> interested in who he spoke with.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Here is a recording of the call..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layout">https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layout</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> s/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocume<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> nts%<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> 2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> 845791377%<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> 5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Is it possible that he’s fixated on a specific employee? Not to be alarmist,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> but it’s worth asking around. I once had a situation where I noticed some<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> crazy calling activity in a log, just by coincidence, and found that an employee<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> was being stalked/harassed.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> On Sep 19, 2023 at 10:08:33 AM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Ha! He did say "he has no self control". Maybe just someone with some<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> mental challenges.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:05 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Does your company provide anything of interests to addicts, or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> anyone with a compulsive habit they are trying to kick? (e.g.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> compulsive shopping for new VoIP handsets)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > Hey All,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > I have a new one.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > We (hosted phone provider) have received three calls today from an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> individual asking us to block him from calling our company. I can't figure out<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> his end game. He's tried multiple times and didn't explain why when<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> questioned. He said multiple times he wanted his number to be blocked from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> calling our company.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > Thoughts?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > Could it be a social engineering attempt? What for?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> ><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> > <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> --<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Alex Balashov<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Principal Consultant<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Evariste Systems LLC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Web: <a href="https://evaristesys.com">https://evaristesys.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> Tel: +1-706-510-6800<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> >> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> > <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> --<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Alex Balashov<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Principal Consultant<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Evariste Systems LLC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Web: <a href="https://evaristesys.com">https://evaristesys.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Tel: +1-706-510-6800<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> VoiceOps mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>
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