<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I suppose it's an argument for shortening the predicate of any advisory about call recording. Your call may be recorded. Period. We cannot say for what, lest we box ourselves into a position to which there will be a rare exception, and therefore a possible liability. <div><br></div><div>Yet, as far as I know, lawyers do not routinely advise one to keep these messages so vague. From that, I infer that the legalities of how one might use a recording later do not turn specifically on the question of what one has proclaimed to be the purpose of recording.<br><div><div><br><div dir="ltr">—<div>Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Paul Timmins <paul@timmins.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">I mean, if you disclosed the information and it wasn't legally protected in a way you had a duty for (a care practitioner disclosing medical information, or a phone company disclosing subscriber information) then you should be cool, I'd think. In the US truth is an affirmative defense for libel and slander. Of course, in the UK it's NOT, and damaging truths are actionable!<div><br></div><div>HOWEVER playing a recording for a purpose you didn't obtain consent for (did you need consent to begin with?) sounds like one of those things where two sets of civil attorneys are going to make a lot of money and make some cool case law, and neither side will walk away happy regardless. You might be right, you might be wrong, you'll pay a shitload to find out either way. And will probably come out different ways in different states. (But was that toll free call under federal jurisdiction because the LD switch was in a nearby state? Oh boy, VoIP makes things fun, doesn't it?)</div><div><br></div><div>I'm sure as always, how you stand depends on where you sit.</div><div><br>
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<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto">And still, I wonder. You call my company, my menu says "your call may be recorded for training and quality control". Somehow in the course of our call you confess an embarrassing personal truth. I post it on YouTube and Reddit for all to hear.<div><br></div><div>This is not training or quality control. Do I reserve the right to use the recording in some other ways as well, implicitly? Did I misrepresent the purpose of my recording the call to you in a material and trialable way? <div><div><div><br><div dir="ltr">—<div>Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
List messages often arrive out of order for me, and I think that happened here. I may have been misquoting. But yeah, I’ve never heard of a law against sharing lawful recordings. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think it should be legal for me to publicize recordings of me harassing scammers, right?</div>
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I thought I stated the recording law accurately? <br><br>I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording per se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As far as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute against this as long as the recording was legally made in the first place.<br><br>-- Alex<br><br><blockquote type="cite"> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of). There are only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single party. You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not involved, and they don’t know you’re recording.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> It leads to a complexity that I’m trying to help a customer with now. What if someone in AZ (single party) calls a person in CA (all party)? Further, what if the server is in AZ, but the caller is in an all party state, and they call a single party state? Etc.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> On Sep 20, 2023 at 2:16:02 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if consent was obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific prohibition against publicising it that I'm aware of.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> —<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Hello,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call publicly on this list. For the record, I did not listen to it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how serious the infringement is.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> About the US laws you know of course better, I was just surprised.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Henning<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> -- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Henning Westerholt – <a href="https://skalatan.de/blog/">https://skalatan.de/blog/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Kamailio services – <a href="https://gilawa.com/">https://gilawa.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> From: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> On Behalf Of Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 19:32<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> To: Carlos Alvarez <<a href="mailto:caalvarez@gmail.com">caalvarez@gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Cc: VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Here is another link if that one didn't work - <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <a href="https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST-EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714">https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST-EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:19 PM Christopher Aloi <<a href="mailto:ctaloi@gmail.com">ctaloi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> I appreciate the concern, and the thought crossed our minds. He called twice and once ended up in sales and once in support and he didn't seem to be interested in who he spoke with. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Here is a recording of the call..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <a href="https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layouts/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocuments%2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1">https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layouts/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocuments%2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Is it possible that he’s fixated on a specific employee? Not to be alarmist, but it’s worth asking around. I once had a situation where I noticed some crazy calling activity in a log, just by coincidence, and found that an employee was being stalked/harassed.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> On Sep 19, 2023 at 10:08:33 AM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Ha! He did say "he has no self control". Maybe just someone with some mental challenges.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:05 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> Does your company provide anything of interests to addicts, or anyone with a compulsive habit they are trying to kick? (e.g. compulsive shopping for new VoIP handsets)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > Hey All,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > I have a new one.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > We (hosted phone provider) have received three calls today from an individual asking us to block him from calling our company. I can't figure out his end game. He's tried multiple times and didn't explain why when questioned. He said multiple times he wanted his number to be blocked from calling our company.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > Thoughts?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">>> > Could it be a social engineering attempt? 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