<div dir="auto">This sounds like a carrier with a lot of SIP peers, which is already a thing that exists today. It also requires a lot of time and work to build, because you need some traffic for the other side to justify the cost to interconnect with you.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:05 PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">Hi,<span> </span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">Cheers,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">Jawaid</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier <br>
area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.<br>
<br>
MARY LOU CAREY<br>
BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>
Office: 615-791-9969<br>
Cell: 615-796-1111<br>
<br>
On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
> *nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then<br>
> convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.<br>
> <br>
> -----<br>
> Mike Hammett<br>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
> <br>
> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>
> <br>
> -------------------------<br>
> <br>
> From: "Nick Olsen" <<a href="mailto:nick@141networks.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nick@141networks.com</a>><br>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <<a href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marylou@backuptelecom.com</a>>, "voiceops"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape<br>
> <br>
> We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves<br>
> in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of<br>
> issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both<br>
> at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note,<br>
> these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>
> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to<br>
>> their reliability?<br>
>> <br>
>> -----<br>
>> Mike Hammett<br>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
>> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
>> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>
>> <br>
>> -------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> From: "Mary Lou Carey" <<a href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marylou@backuptelecom.com</a>><br>
>> To: "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>> Cc: "voiceops" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape<br>
>> <br>
>> There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case<br>
>> you<br>
>> may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look<br>
>> at<br>
>> another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not<br>
>> sure<br>
>> if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.<br>
>> <br>
>> MARY LOU CAREY<br>
>> BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>
>> Office: 615-791-9969<br>
>> Cell: 615-796-1111<br>
>> <br>
>> On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
>>> Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as<br>
>> the<br>
>>> tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an<br>
>> existing<br>
>>> operation somewhere else.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----<br>
>>> Mike Hammett<br>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
>>> <br>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>
>>> <br>
>>> -------------------------<br>
>>> <br>
>>> From: "Mary Lou Carey" <<a href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marylou@backuptelecom.com</a>><br>
>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>>> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <<a href="mailto:paul@timmins.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">paul@timmins.net</a>>, "voiceops"<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape<br>
>>> <br>
>>> When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to<br>
>> them<br>
>>> <br>
>>> via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your<br>
>> direct<br>
>>> LIS<br>
>>> trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> MARY LOU CAREY<br>
>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>
>>> Office: 615-791-9969<br>
>>> Cell: 615-796-1111<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
>>>> Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff<br>
>> (perhaps<br>
>>> a<br>
>>>> few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer<br>
>> minutes<br>
>>> to<br>
>>>> spread the costs over?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----<br>
>>>> Mike Hammett<br>
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -------------------------<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> From: "Paul Timmins" <<a href="mailto:paul@timmins.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">paul@timmins.net</a>><br>
>>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>>>> Cc: "voiceops" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip<br>
>>> through<br>
>>>> these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't<br>
>> the<br>
>>>> local LEC's legacy network.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else,<br>
>> until<br>
>>>>> the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on<br>
>> IPES<br>
>>>>> for expansion markets, though.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building<br>
>> as<br>
>>>>> the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large<br>
>>>>> customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for<br>
>>>>> failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the<br>
>>>>> operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7<br>
>>>>> diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call<br>
>>>>> path.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -----<br>
>>>>> Mike Hammett<br>
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a> [1]<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a> [2]<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -------------------------<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> From: "Paul Timmins" <<a href="mailto:paul@timmins.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">paul@timmins.net</a>><br>
>>>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>>>>> Cc: "voiceops" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems<br>
>>>>> (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who<br>
>> make<br>
>>>>> and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain<br>
>> on<br>
>>>>> it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it,<br>
>> the<br>
>>>>> worse it's gonna get.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much<br>
>> anymore.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voiceops@ics-il.net</a>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly)<br>
>> understand<br>
>>>>>> them to be a big dog in that space.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I've had two major problems with them in six months.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -----<br>
>>>>>> Mike Hammett<br>
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.ics-il.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a> [1]<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a> [2]<br>
>>>>>> <br>
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