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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Graves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">o: (713) 861-4005<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">c: (713) 201-1262<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> chris <tknchris@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Graves <mgraves@mstvp.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike Hammett <voiceops@ics-il.net>; Pinchas Neiman <neimanpinchas@gmail.com>; VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 enum was great stuff<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here in NYC early 2000s we had Stealth doing the VPF (voice peering fabric)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf">https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 10:32 AM Michael Graves via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Every time this comes up I am reminded of ENUM, ITAD, Freenum.org and John Todd, long ago once of the brilliant people at Digium. More recently at Quad9.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is Carrier ENUM still a thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Michael Graves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pinchas Neiman <<a href="mailto:neimanpinchas@gmail.com" target="_blank">neimanpinchas@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering<o:p></o:p></p>
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
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<b>To: </b>"Alex Balashov" <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com" target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:05:26 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I wonder about a hybrid idea, instead of using a global bridge, we would use direct end peer to end
peer SIP, the list of DID->IP translation will be maintained on a public website, any DID could be added to that website by requesting a call to that DID@IP using the website, there may be a nominal listing fee, in order to maintain the website.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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> On 24 Oct 2023, at 08:49, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> This was in another thread, but I broke it out into it's own conversation. Someone had asked:<br>
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> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?<br>
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> The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.<br>
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> I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.<br>
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> Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
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> Jawaid<br>
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> <a href="https://www.voip-info.org/the-voice-peering-fabric/" target="_blank">https://www.voip-info.org/the-voice-peering-fabric/</a><br>
> I can't find anything on this in 15 years, so I'm guessing it didn't work out for one reason or another. Can anyone impart some history there?<br>
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> Mike Hammett<br>
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