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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Vonage was originally formed as the Minutes Exchange for voip peering.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We then spun part of the free world dialup into iPeerX around 2005; sold it to Eli Katz a few years later.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The key problems at the time were:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">there were too few ITSP numbers to make the effort worthwhile; The exception was the cable companies which I believe had their own peering through cable
labs. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There was fear that publishing voip addresses would lead to hacking and spam calls.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">/Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PS. If anyone wants tickets to VON Builder next week, drop me an email. (edguy@eguy.org)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org> on behalf of Pinchas Neiman via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>chris <tknchris@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>voiceops <voiceops@voiceops.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Maybe the signup fee, and lookup time is what killed the idea?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If that's the case, we could solve it by downloading the list preemptively, for the signup we could use some cheap hosting, and instead verifying it with crypto.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We could possibly cryptographically verify it by showing a STIR/SHAKEN passport that was signed by one of the major brands.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All the owner needs is to call his number from a landline, capture the SIP invite and submit it to the website.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:36 AM chris <<a href="mailto:tknchris@gmail.com">tknchris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">+1 enum was great stuff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Here in NYC early 2000s we had Stealth doing the VPF (voice peering fabric)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf" target="_blank">https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 10:32 AM Michael Graves via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Every time this comes up I am reminded of ENUM, ITAD, Freenum.org and John Todd, long ago once of the brilliant people at Digium. More recently at
Quad9.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is Carrier ENUM still a thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Michael Graves<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:mgraves@mstvp.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">mgraves@mstvp.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">o: (713) 861-4005<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">c: (713) 201-1262<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">sip:mgraves@mjg.onsip.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pinchas Neiman <<a href="mailto:neimanpinchas@gmail.com" target="_blank">neimanpinchas@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Most of the links have died, so that idea has likely also sunset.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">"Pinchas Neiman via VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Alex Balashov" <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com" target="_blank">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"VoiceOps" <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:05:26 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Voice Peering</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">I am also quitely new in the industry, wondered a while about this possibility, and never realized that Neutral
Tandem/Inteliquent are exactly this.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">I wonder about a hybrid idea, instead of using a global bridge, we would use direct end peer to end peer SIP, the
list of DID->IP translation will be maintained on a public website, any DID could be added to that website by requesting a call to that DID@IP using the website, there may be a nominal listing fee, in order to maintain the website.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:25 AM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>>
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> On 24 Oct 2023, at 08:49, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> This was in another thread, but I broke it out into it's own conversation. Someone had asked:<br>
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> Hi, <br>
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> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?<br>
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> The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.<br>
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> I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.<br>
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> Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
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> Jawaid<br>
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> <a href="https://www.voip-info.org/the-voice-peering-fabric/" target="_blank">https://www.voip-info.org/the-voice-peering-fabric/</a><br>
> I can't find anything on this in 15 years, so I'm guessing it didn't work out for one reason or another. Can anyone impart some history there?<br>
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> Mike Hammett<br>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
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