<div dir="ltr">Maybe the signup fee, and lookup time is what killed the idea?<div><br></div><div>If that's the case, we could solve it by downloading the list preemptively, for the signup we could use some cheap hosting, and instead verifying it with crypto.</div><div><br></div><div>We could possibly cryptographically verify it by showing a STIR/SHAKEN passport that was signed by one of the major brands.</div><div>All the owner needs is to call his number from a landline, capture the SIP invite and submit it to the website.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:36 AM chris <<a href="mailto:tknchris@gmail.com">tknchris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">+1 enum was great stuff<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here in NYC early 2000s we had Stealth doing the VPF (voice peering fabric)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf" target="_blank">https://www.channelfutures.com/telephony-uc-collaboration/xo-joins-stealths-vpf</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chris</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 10:32 AM Michael Graves via VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Every time this comes up I am reminded of ENUM, ITAD, Freenum.org and John Todd, long ago once of the brilliant people at Digium. More recently at Quad9.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">o: (713) 861-4005<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pinchas Neiman <<a href="mailto:neimanpinchas@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">neimanpinchas@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> VoiceOps <<a href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">voiceops@voiceops.org</a>><br>
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> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?<br>
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> The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.<br>
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> I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.<br>
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> Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.<br>
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