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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink="#96607D"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Slightly confused (based on your references to "Wireless IMS Network SBC") whether these iPhone-originated calls are just standard VoLTE/IMS calls being made by the native phone app and being carried by the carrier's IMS core, or whether these are SIP calls being sent to your own UCaaS core by your app over the carrier's regular internet/data APN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you are saying that you have direct-IP voice peering with one or more wireless carriers, and that iPhone users on those networks are calling numbers of yours & you are seeing the source IP of RTP traffic change mid-call, then I don't see how that can be anything *but* a carrier issue. That said, I also don't see how that can be an iPhone-specific problem, either, or how you managed to arrive at that conclusion. If you were to more closely look at logs related to calls where this is happening, I'd expect that you would find that 1) the problem is specific to a particular carrier, not a particular phone model, and 2) you'll find many calls coming from that one carrier across multiple phone models exhibiting the issue. As to WHY the carrier might be doing this...I haven't the foggiest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you are saying you have iPhone users running an app of yours that is making outgoing SIP calls directly through your ITSP network over the carrier's internet APN, then ...I don't see how that could be anything but a carrier issue, either, honestly. You didn't mention whether this was IPv4 or IPv6 though. I'd be surprised if you saw this happening when the traffic is arriving to you via IPv6. However, for IPv4 traffic, it would not surprise me. Vast majority of carriers in the U.S. are handing out RFC1918 space IP addresses to end-user devices & putting them behind a masquerading NAT. You'd expect that the NAT would try to retain the same source IP for the duration of a given session, but I would not be shocked to discover that the NAT configuration or the NAT engine itself is broken in some way, leading to this symptom. (I'd also not be surprised to learn that the carriers simply couldn't care less if SIP traffic over the internet to their subscribers is unreliable, even though they've largely gotten to the point where voice services are no longer their primary money-maker...industry inertia and all that.) If you don't already have your own ITSP service natively reachable over IPv6 yet, you might consider finally getting around to doing so...most of the major mobile carriers in the U.S. are dual-stacking these days, so if carrier-side IPv4 NAT is the cause, this would work around it for vast majority of users I'd think.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe you are trying to describe a different scenario than either of these, but I'm having trouble coming up with another one. And in either case, I'm confused how you narrowed it down to iPhones, and not to a particular carrier?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Hmm, maybe with scenario #2, is it possible the customer's phone is moving between the mobile data network and a local WiFi network while in the middle of a call? You'd hope the phone would be smart enough to either keep the existing session on the same network interface that it began on [though that might be difficult in the case where it *started* on WiFi & the WiFi network disappeared / moved out of range], or at least properly notify the app that the network interface is changing, in which case the app could have a fighting chance of getting a re-INVITE sent out? If you look at the source IPs involved, are they always the carrier's IPs, or are you seeing the traffic move between completely unrelated networks/ASes?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Jobson via VoiceOps<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 3, 2024 11:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [VoiceOps] Has anyone seen this? Voice UCaaS application on iPhone generated call: switching source IP address mid-call with no SIP signaling to indicate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Just curious as to whether the community thinks this is a network configuration issue or a Mobile app issue<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#212121'>This is either …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#212121'><br>1. Something to do with the app on the iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#212121'>2. Or is the Wireless IMS Network SBC that is changing the srce IP Addr mid-call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#212121'>3. Or RTP has been routed to a different Wireless IMS Network SBC mid-call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>this behavior is totally noncompliant to the RFC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The Oracle SBC in our ITSP network maintains the call up because the SSRC remains the same. However, when this happens, a second or third time it gets complicated .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Many Thanks & Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>For your convenience, please click </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="https://calendly.com/richard-406/30min"><span style='color:blue'>here</span></a><span style='color:black'> to schedule a time for us to talk.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Richard Jobson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Teraquant Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ph: 719 488 1003<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>d/l: (719) 766-8523<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.teraquant.com/"><span style='color:blue'>www.teraquant.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:richard@teraquant.com">richard@teraquant.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/uc-expert-monitoring/"><span style='color:blue'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/uc-expert-monitoring/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Network Monitoring and Service Assurance - Speech Quality Experts (PESQ/POLQA) and Active Testing - Reporting – HPBX - Session Border Controllers – SASE and SD-WAN - Big Data Analytics, fraud detection and protection.</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential information and is intended only for the person(s) named. 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