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originating side.  If I have to attest the validity of the call, then I 
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cite="mid:CAEq8CqF3GdEr1LC0VzXcMr0Pz0PftEcDZz58uaEEmZPaEbGA6A@mail.gmail.com"
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        <a style="color:#485664 
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!important;" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Jawaid
 Bazyar via VoiceOps</a></div>   <div 
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 right;">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">November
 3, 2024 at 7:29 AM</span></font></div>    </div></div><div 
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dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>let's think about this a bit..</div><div><br></div><div>only
 the carrier that owns the number (according to LNP database etc.) knows
 what the CNAM data should be</div><div>only that carrier should be able
 to edit CNAM data</div><div><br></div><div>currently, as Kidd noted, 
terminating carriers look up the data (from one of numerous incomplete 
repositories of CNAM data)</div><div>And if the database isn't the same 
one that the owning carrier publishes in then the data is just bad - 
cached, out of date, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>How much are you all 
paying for CNAM data lookup on a monthly basis?</div><div><br></div><div>The
 thing in the Internet world that this is the closest to, is DNS, and 
that's free to publish into and free to query. The costs of running the 
system are distributed.</div><div><br></div><div>The key difference is 
how the system knows who controls a record and has the right to update 
it. Which is a more or less solved problem.</div><div><br></div><div>So 
then it comes down to the technical means to get existing switches / 
PBXs etc to query the data. And to query the legacy databases during a 
transition time.</div><div><br></div><div>Jawaid</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br>

<br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps
 mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div>

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!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none 
!important;" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Kidd
 Filby via VoiceOps</a></div>   <div 
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
 right;">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">November
 1, 2024 at 2:10 PM</span></font></div>    </div></div><div 
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dir="auto">In US PSTN-speak…. CallerID/name is a terminating feature, 
unlike Canada which is an Originating feature (data sent from caller). 
Until that changes, we are at the mercy of cached data by providers who 
don’t refresh/update their data. Unless Everyone dips the same exact 
database, which I don’t see happening anytime soon, there will be 
inconsistencies between carriers/providers. <br clear="all"><br 
clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" 
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span
 style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Kidd Filby<br>661.557.5640 (C)<br><a
 href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby" title="View public profile"
 
name="SignatureSanitizer_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_SafeHtmlFilter_webProfileURL"
 target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby</a></span> 
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<br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps
 mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div>

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        <a style="color:#485664 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none 
!important;" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" moz-do-not-send="true">chris
 via VoiceOps</a></div>   <div 
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
 right;">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">November
 1, 2024 at 12:47 PM</span></font></div>    </div></div><div 
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dir="auto"><div>It's too bad ENUM never took off. Would have been great 
to dip the number get direct sip uri, get a url/pointer to caller 
id/cnam data etc. Not to mention direct peering without so many hops. <div
 dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- chris</div><br><br></div></div>

<br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps
 mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div>

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        <a style="color:#485664 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none 
!important;" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Shawn
 L via VoiceOps</a></div>   <div 
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
 right;">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">November
 1, 2024 at 12:28 PM</span></font></div>    </div></div><div 
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dir="ltr">Unfortunately, you're at the mercy of the call-ed party's 
carrier.  A lot of providers maintain their own database, and only 
periodically update it. I suspect this is a hold-over from when dips 
were expensive.  That carrier may, or may not update their databases 
regularly.  For esample when I call one of our consultants, my caller id
 comes up on his phone as the person who had my DID 20+ years ago, well 
before we had a relationship with the consultant.  The correct 
information is being sent from our switch, and Neustar has the correct 
information, but his provider (I think verizon) is sending something 
that's completely wrong.</div><br>

<br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps
 mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div>

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rgba(146,154,163,0.7);padding-top:10px;">   <div 
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;">
        <a style="color:#485664 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none 
!important;" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Mike
 Hammett via VoiceOps</a></div>   <div 
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
 right;">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">November
 1, 2024 at 12:20 PM</span></font></div>    </div></div><div 
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style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"><div>Sorry, 
you're right.<br><br><br>CNAM<br><br><br><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent
 Computing Solutions<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br><br><br>Midwest 
Internet Exchange<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br><br>----- Original 
Message -----<br>From: "Alex Balashov via VoiceOps" 
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><br>To: "VoiceOps" 
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><br>Sent: Friday, November 1, 2024 1:06:45 
PM<br>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Stale Caller ID<br><br>Caller ID, or 
calling name (CNAM)?<br><br></div><div><br></div>

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