<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">To be honest? I'll bet they get rid of the concepts of ILEC/RBOC and CLEC before we see them step away from T1 trunking. They don't want to sink another penny into their legacy networks and they don't want to run tandems for everyone else. Anything they can do to push you away from connecting to the old stuff they will.<div><br></div><div>-Paul<br><div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 5, 2024, at 14:31, Enzo Damato via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Well, that sucks. Did I miss some VZ news that would have affected this?</div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">With Frontier pushing this off however, I wonder which ROBC will be the first to break and offer SIP interconnection. It has to happen at some point, although at this rate, I'm not sure if "sometime this decade" is too much to hope for.<br></div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">--------------------</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Enzo Damato</div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 12/5/24 13:25, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:899404087.4748.1733426682411.JavaMail.mhammett@Thunderfuck2" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">This will no longer happen in 2025. Not sure if it's related to Verizon or not.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com/">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br><br><span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mary Lou Carey"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com"><marylou@backuptelecom.com></a><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Nick Olsen"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nick@141networks.com"><nick@141networks.com></a><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mike Hammett"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net"><voiceops@ics-il.net></a>, "voiceops"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:41:28 AM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP<br><br>Maybe they finally realized they were giving all their business away to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sinch and InfoBip and that it was going to start costing them money if<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>they didn't move away from SS7. After all who has more switches to pay<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>for than the ILECs and RBOCs?<br><br>MARY LOU CAREY<br>BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>Office: 615-791-9969<br>Cell: 615-796-1111<br><br>On 2024-04-17 06:44 PM, Nick Olsen via VoiceOps wrote:<br>> We heard the same thing in the Tampa Market from Frontier. I don't<br>> remember the details outside of for the first time ever, an iLEC<br>> didn't just have a hard no response.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:58 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> During a conversation between one of my staff and our Frontier rep<br>>> with the context of moving our TDM tandem connections to IP (which I<br>>> thought was on par with a cold day in hell), our Frontier rep said<br>>> they were investigating SIP trunking for a possible early 2025<br>>> introduction. Given that they already sell retail SIP trunking<br>>> services, I'm optimistic that this might actually happen.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Have any of you heard anything on this topic?<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> -----<br>>> Mike Hammett<br>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com/">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div><br></div><br><fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset><pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
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