<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Oh, for sure. If the technical capabilities don't exist, it'll never happen. If they do, it probably still won't happen, but for other reasons. I was just meaning from the "spending a dime" aspect.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<br><br><span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alex Balashov" <abalashov@evaristesys.com><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net>, voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 5, 2024 6:40:11 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP<br><br><div>This is far from assured.</div><div><br></div><div>But even where so, you must surely be aware that technical capabilities alone dictate very little in this world. First and foremost are political, economic, bureaucratic, and regulatory considerations. Whether some piece of equipment can technically do something is almost beside the point to the decision-making process in large organisations.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">—<div>Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote>On Dec 5, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000">Are they not already running SIP capable switches at tandem sites?<br><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<br><br><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Paul Timmins via VoiceOps" <voiceops@voiceops.org><br><b>To: </b>"Enzo Damato" <edamato@ricetelecom.net><br><b>Cc: </b>voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:45:57 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP<br><br>To be honest? I'll bet they get rid of the concepts of ILEC/RBOC and CLEC before we see them step away from T1 trunking. They don't want to sink another penny into their legacy networks and they don't want to run tandems for everyone else. Anything they can do to push you away from connecting to the old stuff they will.<div><br></div><div>-Paul<br><div>
<div><br><blockquote><div>On Dec 5, 2024, at 14:31, Enzo Damato via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Well, that sucks. Did I miss some VZ news that would have affected this?</div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">With Frontier pushing this off however, I wonder which ROBC will be the first to break and offer SIP interconnection. It has to happen at some point, although at this rate, I'm not sure if "sometime this decade" is too much to hope for.<br></div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">--------------------</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Enzo Damato</div><div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 12/5/24 13:25, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:899404087.4748.1733426682411.JavaMail.mhammett@Thunderfuck2" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">This will no longer happen in 2025. Not sure if it's related to Verizon or not.<br><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br><br><br>Midwest Internet Exchange<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br><br><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mary Lou Carey"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marylou@backuptelecom.com" target="_blank"><marylou@backuptelecom.com></a><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Nick Olsen"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nick@141networks.com" target="_blank"><nick@141networks.com></a><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mike Hammett"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><voiceops@ics-il.net></a>, "voiceops"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:41:28 AM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP<br><br>Maybe they finally realized they were giving all their business away to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Sinch and InfoBip and that it was going to start costing them money if<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>they didn't move away from SS7. After all who has more switches to pay<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>for than the ILECs and RBOCs?<br><br>MARY LOU CAREY<br>BackUP Telecom Consulting<br>Office: 615-791-9969<br>Cell: 615-796-1111<br><br>On 2024-04-17 06:44 PM, Nick Olsen via VoiceOps wrote:<br>> We heard the same thing in the Tampa Market from Frontier. I don't<br>> remember the details outside of for the first time ever, an iLEC<br>> didn't just have a hard no response.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:58 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org" target="_blank"><voiceops@voiceops.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> During a conversation between one of my staff and our Frontier rep<br>>> with the context of moving our TDM tandem connections to IP (which I<br>>> thought was on par with a cold day in hell), our Frontier rep said<br>>> they were investigating SIP trunking for a possible early 2025<br>>> introduction. Given that they already sell retail SIP trunking<br>>> services, I'm optimistic that this might actually happen.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Have any of you heard anything on this topic?<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> -----<br>>> Mike Hammett<br>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> VoiceOps mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org" target="_blank">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><br></div><br></div><br><fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset><pre class="moz-quote-pre">_______________________________________________
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