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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wait, say what now? I'm not even sure I understand how that kind of hijacking is possible. You'd have to be able to deduce who that provider's underlying carriers are before you could attempt to engage in that kind of social engineering with them, and as an IPES, there's nowhere either in our 499 filings or in the RMD filing where we are required to disclose that, either publicly or privately/redacted. (Unless I'm missing something? We have never disclosed that in any FCC filings, and yet we didn't get added to this "naughty" list. Furthermore, a read through of the required information listed in this notice under II.3 absolutely does not say anywhere that you are required to itemize who your specific upstreams are.) I suppose you could voluntarily disclose it in your RMD plan write-up, but...why would you, as that just unnecessarily ties your hands and results in a bunch of self-inflicted busy work (if you're going to list it, then you either have to maintain that list, avoid bringing up new or tearing down old SIP trunks with various underlying carriers, or risk having the disclosure become "stale").<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, on a different but related note, this whole incomplete-RMD-filing issue is a problem that the FCC kinda/sorta created themselves, and then decided shirk their responsibility for doing so and saddle all of us with the downstream consequences and threats. Just to remind everybody of the history here, this database as originally conceived by the brilliant minds in Washington required that filers EITHER certified themselves as being wholly S/S compliant, OR if not, then they had to supply a written mitigation plan. If you selected the "I am 100% S/S compliant" checkbox, it would NOT allow you to upload a document attachment with any kind of written plan. And if you first filed as only partially compliant or not-yet-compliant, and added such a document/attachment to your filing, and then after finishing your S/S implementation you went back and UPDATED your filing to reflect your new compliance, the system would DELETE your previous attachment from your filing, and not give you any option to submit a new one. If you filed as 100% compliant, you could not add an attachment, PERIOD. 100% compliance and document attachments were <u>mutually exclusive</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then one day they decided that maybe that was a bad idea, and required everybody who was 100% complaint to drop everything & go back and add written mitigation plans to their filings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So far in the (admittedly few) minutes I've taken to check out a handful of companies on this "naughty" list, virtually all of them are in the boat of having checked the "100% compliant" checkbox, but not having gone back after the rule change to submit a written RM plan document attachment to their filing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces@voiceops.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 10, 2024 14:08<br><b>To:</b> voiceops@voiceops.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [VoiceOps] FCC RMD Naughty List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The requirements for RMD changed and you now need to add a lot more information. You only have 14 days to respond to the FCC, but MAKE SURE YOU FILE YOUR 499 CONFIDENTIALLY! We have already learned of incidents where scammers got ahold of company information and attempted to get the company's underlying carriers to change the IP addresses for their SIP trunks so they could hijack their network. We've brought this to the attention of the FBI and FCC, but the FCC's only offer was to file them confidentially. I personally think they're asking for way too much information and stupid to allow anyone's information to be listed on a public site, but until they fix the problem its up to carriers themselves to make sure their information is secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ashley (with Equitel Compliance) and I (BackUP Telecom can help anyone that needs to update their RMDs or get STIR/SHAKEN certified. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MARY LOU CAREY <br>BackUP Telecom Consulting <br>Office: 615-791-9969 <br>Cell: 615-796-1111<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On 2024-12-10 03:42 PM, Dave Russo via VoiceOps wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Here is the FCC order & list mentioned: <a href="https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-24-1235A1.pdf" target="_blank">https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-24-1235A1.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Also somewhat related, I'm curious how some companies that claim to be STIR/SHAKEN compliant and are listed on iconectiv's authorized provider list get away with not being fully FCC compliant?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For example when we were looking for a new provider it came to my attention that Atheral is 5 years behind on its FCC 499 filings... Looks like it last filed in 2019: <a href="https://apps.fcc.gov/cgb/form499/499detail.cfm?FilerNum=832820" target="_blank">https://apps.fcc.gov/cgb/form499/499detail.cfm?FilerNum=832820</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Does this mean it can get shut down any time the FCC decides to do that? Will resellers that use them be at risk of losing service or subject to some FCC action themselves?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-dr<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=qt><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>How many of you are on the Robocall Mitigation Database naughty list that the FCC just sent out?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It'd be nice if they told you *WHY* your filing was deficient. Instead, they just generically list broad categories that you may or may not fit into.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike Hammett<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Intelligent Computing Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.ics-il.com">http://www.ics-il.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Midwest Internet Exchange<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>VoiceOps mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<br>VoiceOps mailing list<br><a href="mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org">VoiceOps@voiceops.org</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>