Shane,
I'm sorry if you interpreted anything in my response to be hostile.
It was not intended to be hostile, but simply to offer
a view that I believe was at variance with one you espoused
in an earlier posting.
My apologies if you interpreted this as being hostile to you -
I can assure you there was no such intention in my note.
Geoff
At 12/14/00 06:03 PM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Geoff Huston wrote:
>
> > Let me get this right..
>
>Please do. :)
>
> > Shane says "as for convergence times [...] I don't know" Does
> > that need to be solved here?"
> >
> > well, you know, I thought the mission here was one of research into
> > the chartacteristics of the space and thinking forward into potential
> > approaches in a context of understanding what we need to know more
> > about - i.e. research.
> >
> > I'd love to be so confident about convergence times and indicate that
> > we know all there is to know about convergence in large dynamic and
> > complex spaces. Even to know that some person on the planet has this
> > knowledge would be comforting to some degree. I just don't see that we
> > have this essential knowledge at present.
>
>Am I the only one that got the _Everything I Needed to Know About
>Convergence Times I Learned From Abha's Presentation_ book for Christmas
>last year?
>
>Seriously, why are you so hostile? I never said we know all there is to
>know about convergence. In fact, all I said was: "I don't know." As in
>"do NOT". As in NOT to know. As in, nearly the complete opposite of
>knowing everything.
>
>I've seen Abha's convergence presentation about 5 or 6 times now - and it
>does get better as she gets more information. But for me personally, I
>don't see how any system that requires as much human hand-holding as the
>current Internet routing system (read: BGP) can continue to scale. It's
>brittle. It's confusing. I often wonder how it can work at all (except
>when my provider goes down, then I wonder more about the definition of
>"work").
>
>So, I guess I'll just patiently wait for the survey of current routing
>research which is going to be dropped on the mailing list at some point.
>That's a good thing - I certainly don't know who's doing what in routing,
>or where, even if I had the time to follow up on it.
>
>I am of course not saying that all experience gained is worthless, but I
>think it's a shame to spend too much time examining the behavioral
>characteristics of a system that should be replaced.
>
>--
>Shane "obviously not speaking for my employer here" Kerr
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