One thing to note is that Juniper's pricing, on a per-port basis, is cheaper
than Cisco's with a good discount. When you factor in modularity of the M
series, you get a better up-front cost and can do incremental upgrades to
get the ports you need.
For example:
1 GSR 12/40, 2 GRP, 3SFC,2CSC,2AC
1 3GE
Costs way more than an M20 with same ports. With only one or two GE, you
get even cheaper.
The Cisco, with SmartNET 85NBD and memory upgrades/IOS will run almost 150k.
The M20 will be about 75.
This continues on up the line.
We did some pricing comparisons for loaded up routers and found that we
could get junipers at list for cheaper than cisco with discount, by
~175,000. Factor in the juniper discount, and it gets very sad....
regards,
chris
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 10:36:11AM -0500, Daniel L. Golding wrote:
> > You could buy some M5's with Fast Ethernet PICs.
> >
> > Daniel Golding NetRail,Inc.
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> If we decide to start buying Junipers, we will probably end up doing
> something like that, although it probably won't be "some".
> More likely
> it would be one initially.
>
> Historically, we have been purchasing Cisco routers for our network.
> We currently have two GSR's purchased in 1998, before the Juniper
> was really an option. Over the next year, we need to buy three
> more high-end routers (GSR or Juniper). Maybe a total of five if
> a special funding request we made gets passed by the State of
> Wisconsin Legislature. Our budget is quite tight and it is unlikely
> I would get a request for several lab routers approved.
>
> With the need to purchase additional high-end routers, I felt it
> was wise to evaluate our options. One small piece of my evaluation
> is the cost of lab equipment to simulate parts of our network and
> for staff training. For this particular part of the evaluation,
> Cisco is definitely going to come out ahead. First, they have the
> unfair advantage that we have been using their products for years,
> so our lab is already well stocked with routers that have been
> decommissioned, spare routers that would have to leave in case of
> failure, and routers on loan or donated by vendors. Cisco also
> has an advantage that they have 12.0S code available for most of
> these routers in my lab. Note that I currently have no GSR's in
> my lab, but I am able to get by with what I have for most lab work.
> If I do need a GSR for a specific test or evaluation, I can always
> ask Cisco to loan me one.
>
> Since Juniper would be a new addition to our network, we would be
> starting with nothing in the lab. I had been looking at the Olive
> as a possible way to jump start my lab environment with an inexpensive
> investment in a couple of PC's. This will not be possible. Instead,
> I will probably be looking at an M5 or more likely an M10 (same as
> we would be deploying in production, so I could also use sparing
> as a cost justification). Looking at the pricing for an M5, I
> come up with:
>
> M5BASE-AC $10,000
> RE-333-256 20,000
> JUNOS 10,000
> PE-TUNNEL 10,000
> PE-1GE-SX 20,000 (I don't have a price for
> the FastEther)
> --------
> Total $70,000 list (+$10,000 list for M10
> rather than M5)
>
> Even discounted, this is pretty expensive. If we go with the
> Juniper, it will be something we need to do. When we started buying
> Cisco routers, we didn't have much of a lab either.
>
> Like I said earlier, though, this is only one small aspect of the
> overall evaluation. They didn't do well on this part, but things
> look very good for them on other aspects of the evaluation. All
> of these things need to be taken into account before we make a
> decision. It may be worth overlooking lab issues in the short-term
> in order to end up with a better network in the long-term.
>
> Maybe we can find some time to chat today or tomorrow about your
> thoughts of the Juniper. It would provide good input for my
> evaluation.
>
> Jeff
>
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