[Boatanchors] Shipping damage

Thu Nov 29 00:47:01 EST 2018

I avoid this problem by not shipping (or receiving) any unit weighing more
than about 30 pounds. Admittedly, this is easier for me than for many,
because I live in densely populated Southern California, with many millions
of people within a couple of hours drive and frequent and well attended swap
meets and flea markets so most items can be bought and sold fairly easily.

Many of our boatanchors are too heavy and delicate to be shipped safely
without wooden crates and specialized packaging, so I just won't do it!
When they were new, they were factory packed in specially built cartons.
Heavy kits, like Heath amps, sometimes had the transformers packed
separately.  Other heavy kits, like the DX100, did not have heavy
transformers on the chassis when shipped, so less danger of shipping.  Take
'em all to Dayton!

-----Original Message-----
From: Boatanchors [mailto:boatanchors-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of
George Babits
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:08 AM
To: ED SHARPE; af4k at hotmail.com; rayfrijr at msn.com;
Boatanchors at puck.nether.net; boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Shipping damage

Yes, you pay a LOT for the convience of using a UPS store and other 
shippers.  Their mark-up is generally 30 to 50% over the UPS charges.  It 
didn't take me long to find that,  out so I got my own UPS account and get a

rate even lower than what the UPS on-line calculator gives me.  You can 
print your own lables (prepaid) and then use the UPS store as a drop-off. 
I've been doing that for quite a while.

73,
George
W7HDL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED SHARPE via Boatanchors" <boatanchors at puck.nether.net>
To: <af4k at hotmail.com>; <rayfrijr at msn.com>; <Boatanchors at puck.nether.net>; 
<boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Shipping damage

> one thing with ups... get an online quote BEFORE going to ship at the UPS 
> store... they are owned and run by individuals unlike fed ex company 
> shipping stores... some of theservice UPS storea really pack on extra 
> charge
> . that is up to the owner.... beware....ed#
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 Bry Carling <af4k at hotmail.com> wrote:
> FedEx have been downright Abusive to me. I considered contacting an 
> attorney. They do NOT give a d@&n about their customers any more. Their 
> CEO ignores polite letters of concern mailed to him, after their 
> customer-non-service department lets you down. The ONLY way to get them to

> partly do the right thing is to file a complaint with the BBB. They are 
> certainly not the company they used to be. I have pretty much cut back on 
> buying or selling radios like I used to because of the constant abuse by 
> FEDEX.
>
> Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:38 PM, RAY FRIESS 
> <rayfrijr at msn.com<mailto:rayfrijr at msn.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm having a string of bad luck lately apparently. For the second time, a 
> package arrived at the buyers trashed. The first was two weeks ago, sent 
> by UPS. Despite being plainly labeled in LARGE print all over that said 
> FRAGILE, the Lafayette receiver was trashed on arrival. I'm now in a 
> battle with UPS to get insurance payment, even threatening legal action.
>
> Now, just yesterday I was informed by and shown pictures of a package I 
> sent postal service, thinking maybe they would be more responsible. A Swan

> 500 and power supply. Sent in two separate boxes encased in peanuts 
> obtained from UHaul, which has a very good reputation for not treating 
> their shipments like footballs during the playoffs. ALso had them wrapped 
> in bubble wrap and the boxes marked FRAGILE and the post office indicating

> so on the tracking documents. Arrived like the UPS boxes ... looking like 
> other 50 to 100 lb boxes had been dropped on top of mine. Buyer still in 
> the process of determining damage to the rig and if it is fatal damage or 
> minor.
>
> My point is .. and my belief is .. I don't give a DAMN for ANY of the 
> shippers excuses. I pay them for one thing.. to SHIP a box from point A to

> point B, and for that box to arrive in one piece just like when I dropped 
> it off for shipping. Especially when it is indicated that it is fragile. I

> hope to hell no one EVER tries shipping glass glasses because I firmly 
> believe they would arrive as a pile of glass shards in the box. And, I do 
> not appreciate being told by a shipper that "it was not damaged during 
> shipping." THAT crap is an insult to someone's intelligence....
>
> I don't know the solution, except maybe to take the equipment to a place 
> that will absolutely fill the box with foam insulation and it becomes a 
> block that has to be cut away when it arrives. Even then, I'm sure the 
> shipper would find some way to make it arrive looking like it had been 
> dropped from a B52 at 20,000 feet. Remember when they used to tout the 
> durability of Collins gear, saying they could be dropped from a plane and 
> still be operational after landing. I dont think even a Collins KWM2 can 
> survive the incompetence of the three major shippers. The employees have 
> no respect or care for anything they handle. It seems to be toss it on the

> truck from 20 feet away, stack it 10 high with 50 lbs on top of each and 
> then toss it into the driveway. Sometimes, I'm surprised they even get out

> of the truck when they deliver a package instead of just tossing it out 
> the door and driving away. They must get out of the truck if they have to 
> get a signature.
> ________________________________
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et> 
>
<boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.
net>> 
> on behalf of Howie WA3MCK <wa3mck at gmail.com<mailto:wa3mck at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:04 AM
> To: Rob Atkinson
> Cc: Boat Anchors List
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Shipping damage
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> I have shipped and received many large and heavy boatanchors over the last
> ten years or so via FedEx Ground.
>
> I have NEVER had a problem.
>
> My most recent purchase was a Swan 400 (shipped from MA to PA) which
> included an Astatic desk mike, 117B power supply, 420 VFO, and the 400
> transceiver.
>
> All four items were shipped in one box (about 50 lbs total) which was
> properly packed by the seller.
>
> The radio and accessories arrived in perfect shape and were placed on the
> air the following day after initial checks and power up.
>
> de Howie WA3MCK
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 06:00 Rob Atkinson 
> <ranchorobbo at gmail.com<mailto:ranchorobbo at gmail.com>>
> wrote:led
>
> The Fed Ex UPS etc. shipping business has changed dramatically in the
> past few years. Millions of people now buy on-line -- Amazon even
> does its own shipping. The process has streamlined to the point that
> heavy shippers (manufacturers and other high volume outlets) ship in
> bulk (free shipping!). The system may be geared towards this with
> the result that individuals pay more to ship odd single items.
>
> Another aspect to this is that the handling operations have been
> increasingly geared to speedily handle the majority of packages, which
> are carefully engineered enclosures that suspend and protect the
> usually light weight product to maximize protection and minimize
> expense. Ever order a modern product on-line and get it shipped to
> your home? The packaging is a work of mechanical engineering. The
> system which handles millions of these items is simply not optimized
> for the occasional tube rig or receiver--both being heavy and fragile.
> The result is a smashed set. We are not going to change UPS et al.
> We have to up our game on packaging. This is why I've contended that
> anything weighing over 70 lbs probably should be in a crate lined with
> styrofoam slabs on all sides with the item immobilized. Bubble wrap
> and a cardboard box won't cut it. Personally, I think I'd rather
> haul my stuff to a hamfest.
>
> 73
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
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