[c-nsp] IP unnumbered question. Are isp's using this alot?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert E.Seastrom [mailto:rs at seastrom.com]
>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:26 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Gert Doering; Joseph Jackson; cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
>Subject: Re: [c-nsp] IP unnumbered question. Are isp's using this alot?
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>"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com> writes:
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>> The fact of the matter is that all RFC1918 numbers on my serial links
>> do is to force you to treat my network as a black box, it takes away
>> transparency of my network from you.  That forces you to go through me
>> when there's a problem on my network.  You probably don't prefer to do
>> that rather than just examining my network from a computer, but it is
>> my network and I'm paying for it, and I can do whatever I
>want with it.
>
>It is indubitably true that we prefer to not have someone who is
>clueless enough to number his links out of 1918 space in our critical
>path when trying to debug end to end connectivity problems...
>
>Since with the benefit of your experience you clearly know so much
>better than the authors of RFCs 1597, 1627, and 1918, I encourage you
>to get involved with the standards process and get a BCP published
>that espouses your point of view.
>

Are you being deliberately an idiot?  Or are you unfamiliar with the
term "devils advocate"

I already said that -I- don't do this.  And the only reason you put
forth that uing RFC1918 links for serial links is a bad thing, is
that you cannot troubleshoot a connectivity problem with someone
else's network.

I have already pointed out that you have no right to troubleshoot
someone else's network without their permission, and you have nothing
to say about this other than that you prefer doing it.

Well, that is not a good enough reason.  Tracing into someone else's
network is a form of trespass.  If they want you to be doing it,
they will make it easy to do so.  I do in my own networks.  But someone
who is, as you put it 'clueless enough' to NOT want you to be tracing
into his network, has a perfect right to tell you to stay the hell out,
and to enforce this by making it hard for you to do it.

I am sorry you cannot seem to understand this simple concept.  I am
also sorry you don't seem to be able to understand that someone can
elucidate a point of view that they do not agree with, and don't do
themselves, yet still understand that it isn't necessairly "wrong"
just different.  I feel sorry you cannot grasp these simple concepts
as it does nothing other than to diminish your own enjoyment of life.
To you, there's only one way to do something, the right way, and you
are the only one that knows what it is.

Ted