[c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear

[Shane@Doretel]

It is WIC Cards, NM Cards, PA Cards, 3550 Switches, 2600XM Routers, 
ATA-186's (From what I have been told) & AS535-DFC-108NP & AS54-DFC-108NP's.

For the memory parts I completely aggree with companies that want to buy 3rd 
party. The problem with the other is that you are sucked in by the cheap 
prices and completely unhonest and unethical crooks that push the gear off 
as real!

Shane Breen
Doretel Communications, Inc.
Director of Sales & Marketing
Cisco Registered Partner
Office: 404.755.5721
Fax: 404.529.4617
sbreen at doretel.com
AIM: shanebreen2003
www.doretel.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Granados" <sgranados at jeteye.com>
To: "Shane at Doretel" <sbreen at doretel.com>; "Jon Lewis" <jlewis at lewis.org>; 
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com>
Cc: <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear


Yes, but you have to agree that Cisco abuses it's customers on this
front as well.  While $160 might be quite reasonable for a t1 interface
(at least I think so), $7000 for Kingston memory that is available at
Frys isn't.  Are 3rd parties making fake higher end components like 6509
cards or the like or is this mainly an issue on the smaller gbic / wicc
side of things?

G. Scott Granados
Sr. Network Operations Specialist
OFFICE: 415-946-2112 EXT. 222
CELL: 408-569-4017
URL: http://www.jeteye.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Shane at Doretel
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:41 AM
To: Jon Lewis; Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear

Jon,

As a Cisco Partner I can tell you for sure it is bad. We often find that
we
cannot even get close to the Fake Cisco prices:( It is really hard to
explain to a customer that yea our Factory Refurb WIC-1T is $160 ea when

they can get it from someone on EBAY that has a 5000 Positive Feedback
Score
for $25 ea. When you try to explain that by placing Fake Cisco into your

authorized gear you run the risk of voiding your SMARTnet's and
warranties
often they don't care they are only trying to save a quick buck and do
not
think of the long term issues they can have.

The whole thing sucks! My 2 cents:)

Shane Breen
Doretel Communications, Inc.
Director of Sales & Marketing
Cisco Registered Partner
Office: 404.755.5721
Fax: 404.529.4617
sbreen at doretel.com
AIM: shanebreen2003
www.doretel.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Lewis" <jlewis at lewis.org>
To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com>
Cc: <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear


> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> It isn't as bad as your making it out to be.  A lot of the fakes
aren't
>> fake at all, they are theft.  What they are is illegal runs off the
same
>> production lines that the authorized runs are under.
>
> The conspiracty theorist in me says cisco may be making things sound
much
> worse than they are in order to scare people into buying from "normal
> distribution channels" rather than ebay or shadey network gear
resellers.
>
>> Additionally, in the auto industry, this sort of thing goes on all
the
>> time, and there's nothing illegal about it, they call it "aftermarket
>> parts"  General Motors does not have a problem if I buy a new
Alternator
>> from NAPA and put it in my GM car.  Cisco should not have a problem
if I
>> buy a new WIC card and put it in my Cisco router.  The fact that they
>> do, pushes this stuff underground which exacerbates the problem.
>
> If the parts skip quality control, are sold cheap by 3rd parties (not
> cisco) and claim to be cisco (not cisco compatible, but actual cisco)
> parts, there are multiple problems there.
>
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