[c-nsp] Cisco 10k?

[Paul Stewart]

Hey Jason...

I'm curious as to what you decide in the final aspect and why... we have
several NPE-1G and NPE-2G boxes right now and I need to order a couple of
more to meet capacity needs (DSL termination via PPPOE)... we were also
looking at the 10k series and also took a step back to investigate ERX from
Juniper... I really like the Juniper boxes having talked to several people
who use them (and who are also Cisco literate)... long story short we're
probably sticking with Cisco just because of it being Cisco (and staff are
used to Cisco boxes and also the way that Cisco "thinks")...

In my opinion, our reasons for staying Cisco are not necessarily the right
ones but I believe the management group will head that way regardless...;)
So then we're back to the same issue you are - keep stacking 7206's or buy a
"big box" such as the 10k.... our datacenter is starting to run shy on space
and power is always a challenge to keep up with ... so the 10k has pros
there for sure...

Anyways, just wanted to chime in letting you know you're definitely not the
only person facing these issues ; )  I would definitely upgrade to NPE-1G or
2G if it's in budget though as that will be a significant upgrade from a
performance spec....

Take care,

Paul


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[mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Crocker
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:39 PM
To: Jason Berenson
Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 10k?


Doesn't the 10k use Ciscos FPGA chips (aka PXF)?  So if a feature  
isn't in the FPGA code it gets punted to the main CPU and performance  
goes to hell?

Isn't Cisco doing away with all the routers based off the FPGA code?   
NSE-100, 7301, NSE-1   *very* fast when the packets can be handled in  
PXF, not so good when they can't.

I see there is the new NSE-150 that replaces the NSE-100

On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Jason Berenson wrote:

> Justin,
>
> I'm not worried too much about the size, I have room and on top of  
> that
> it will replace 3+ 7206's.  I do however have the option of just
> upgrading the 7206's to NPE-G1's, adding more chassis as needed and
> calling it a day.
>
> I'm trying to make a decision now before things get too out of hand
> whether or not I want to move to a single router platform or just keep
> adding routers as needed.  It would eventually have multiple Gige  
> ports
> which would handle TLS circuits as well as DS1 termination and ATM
> termination for DSLs.  Another thing to remember is we may eventually
> get a blade for our Turin DAX which will allow us to terminate the  
> DS1's
> on the Turin and transport them to the router via ethernet and
> VLANs/DS1.  This long-term option would let us get rid of the DS3  
> cards
> and go mostly ethernet except for the limited ATM needed for DSLs.
>
> The big advantages I can see is moving to a single chassis (one router
> to manage), it's a much more powerful router then the 7206's and on a
> per channelized DS3 port basis, it's half the price per port.  With  
> all
> that in mind, would you suggest going for a 10k and selling the 7206's
> or just upgrading/adding more 7206's as needed?
>
> -Jason
>
> Justin M. Streiner wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Jason Berenson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Considering it would be replacing 3 7206's right off the bat, is it
>>> still going to take much more power then the 7206's?
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, the 10k is a pretty big chassis, somewhere between a 7507 and  
>> 7513
>> in size.  In terms of power consumption, it looks like it will run on
>> two 120V/20A circuits.  I never had a 10k on my network, but I did  
>> have a
>> UAC6400 many moons ago, that had similar dimensions and power  
>> needs, along
>> with some design features that drove me nuts :)
>>
>> jms
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