[c-nsp] Fake Cisco Equipment News Articles - very interesting

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Rathlev [mailto:peter at rathlev.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:35 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: cisco-nsp
> Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Fake Cisco Equipment News Articles - very
> interesting
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 22:43 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> <snip>
> > People post on this list every day of problems they are having 
> with Cisco
> > equipment, then proceed to lambast various Cisco IOS revisions 
> for breaking
> > things.  Well, how do I know that when someone reports X.Y.Z 
> version of IOS
> > is bad because it's making my router reboot all the time, that their
> > router's not rebooting all the time because it's counterfeit?  
> I don't.  So,
> > am I going to then base my decisions on whether to deploy X.Y.Z 
> based on bad
> > data?  Are you?  Are you happy doing this?
> > 
> > If not, then shut up about the so-called "political counterfeiting"
> > discussion.  This is most definitely on topic.
> 
> Easy there, I was just asking whether people thought it was on topic. I
> didn't say that I disagree about what you explain, just that it tends
> towards politics, and that I personally think that politics shouldn't be
> a part of C-NSP. There are other forums for that. I really can't see why
> you have to ask me to "shut up",

I'm very sorry that you have decided to reinterpret a pretty clear
statement that you should shut up about labelling a specific discussion
thread political, into a blanket statement that your being asked to
completely shut up.  Perhaps you have a paranoid complex and should
see a psychologist?

I'm just calling and raising in the silliness game here, Peter. ;-)

Seriously, I ojected to your post simply because your
taking a neutral word "politics" and immediately making an assumption
that it's a "bad" word.  As in all the Right Thinking Folk believe
that political discourse is a bad thing, and should not be spoken
of.

If you found Scott's rant about Chinese outsourcing out of
place simply because it was a political rant, and contributed
nothing of value to the technical discussion about counterfeit Cisco
gear, well there is nothing wrong with that.  It could have been
more respectful to simply say that you didn't think his last
paragraph on chinese outsourcing was on the topic he was 
discussing. Rather than
what you did which was to attempt to terminate the entire
thread using a neutral word as a negative label.

In other words, your calling for the end of the thread claiming
it's too political, by doing one of the most common things that
a politician does, redefine words - in short, your engaging
in political activity to object to political discussion.  Classic,
textbook, Politics 101.

> I agree about the fact that Cisco has some explaining to
> do about this issue.

So do I.  And, the silence from the Cisco employee(s) that
normally follow this list, on this topic, speaks volumes.

Ted