[c-nsp] CALEA was Re: OT - Dark Fiber

[Scott Granados]

Why does anyone comply with CALEA?  Especially after the abuses of the last 
8 years and probably a lot farther back than that?  I've been reading about 
the requirements and the idea that ISPs cooperate with law enforcement 
really makes me uneasy on a civil liberties basis. Does Uncle Sam scare 
tactic people in to compliance?  There's just something about making things 
easier for the NSA and any number of alphabet soup agencies that strikes me 
as unamerican (to use their own phrase against them) and wrong. Or was it 
created simply to create a new space for security products and C, J and the 
others were really good at lobbying?
    Since it doesn't require the ISP to break open encrypted traffic it 
almost makes me think a public key system that lets the end user encrypt 
everything from phone to television with their own keys makes some sense so 
there's nothing left in the clear for entertaining the James Bond crowd! 
Probably not practical at all but this thread just convinced me not to use 
split tunneling.;)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david raistrick" <drais at icantclick.org>
To: "jp" <jp at saucer.midcoast.com>
Cc: <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] OT - Dark Fiber


> On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, jp wrote:
>
>> Regarding the topic... If someone provides dark fiber, would they be
>> subject to CALEA requirements to be able to tap and record the
>
> I haven't followed CALEA-for-ISPs for a few years, but at least when it 
> was initially required, dark fiber providers won't need to comply with 
> CALEA.  They're not providing network service.   -lit- fiber providers 
> would because they're either providing network or telecom service....but 
> they generally wouldn't do it at the physical layer.
>
> ...david
>
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