[c-nsp] CALEA was Re: OT - Dark Fiber

[Jared Mauch]

Talk to your counsel about the compliance requests you get. You may be  
able to get away without it, but you are required to comply with any  
lawful requests, even if you don't like them. The same is true for any  
business where you could get a lawful request for records.

Check out packetforensics if you need a device, much cheaper than  
others in the space, their website can be a bit funny, but worth  
having a [free] login.

- Jared

On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Why does anyone comply with CALEA?  Especially after the abuses of  
> the last 8 years and probably a lot farther back than that?  I've  
> been reading about the requirements and the idea that ISPs cooperate  
> with law enforcement really makes me uneasy on a civil liberties  
> basis. Does Uncle Sam scare tactic people in to compliance?  There's  
> just something about making things easier for the NSA and any number  
> of alphabet soup agencies that strikes me as unamerican (to use  
> their own phrase against them) and wrong. Or was it created simply  
> to create a new space for security products and C, J and the others  
> were really good at lobbying?
>   Since it doesn't require the ISP to break open encrypted traffic  
> it almost makes me think a public key system that lets the end user  
> encrypt everything from phone to television with their own keys  
> makes some sense so there's nothing left in the clear for  
> entertaining the James Bond crowd! Probably not practical at all but  
> this thread just convinced me not to use split tunneling.;)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "david raistrick" <drais at icantclick.org 
> >
> To: "jp" <jp at saucer.midcoast.com>
> Cc: <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] OT - Dark Fiber
>
>
>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, jp wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the topic... If someone provides dark fiber, would they be
>>> subject to CALEA requirements to be able to tap and record the
>>
>> I haven't followed CALEA-for-ISPs for a few years, but at least  
>> when it was initially required, dark fiber providers won't need to  
>> comply with CALEA.  They're not providing network service.   -lit-  
>> fiber providers would because they're either providing network or  
>> telecom service....but they generally wouldn't do it at the  
>> physical layer.
>>
>> ...david
>>
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