[cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old ornewsolutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x

Lelio Fulgenzi lelio at uoguelph.ca
Thu Apr 13 14:10:45 EDT 2006


somebody's buying their SE's more food than us. ;)

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott O'Donnell 
  To: Leetun, Rob 
  Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old ornewsolutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x


  Rob,

  A Cisco SE told me the following.

  As it stands now, the windows version will jump from a 4.x to 6.x version.
  The 5.x version (linux/appliance), as it was explained to me is basically a means to get the linux based version up to speed.

  Then there will be a 6.x release on both platforms. 
  The intention is to have full feature parity on both platforms when it's released on 6.x.

  At that point, it will be just a matter of what OS the customer prefers.

  That seems like a tough challenge to be but thats what the internal rumor is.










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  From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Leetun, Rob
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:39 PM
  To: Voll, Scott; Lelio Fulgenzi; candace_holman at harvard.edu; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or newsolutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x


  Our Cisco Vendor is stating that CCM 4.0 train will change to the 6.0 (win) train in the future.  Anyone heard this?



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  From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Voll, Scott
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:47 AM
  To: Lelio Fulgenzi; candace_holman at harvard.edu; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or newsolutions?Simply speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x


  Once again to echo:

   

  4.1 ---- features ------ 5.0

  4.2 -----features ----- 5.1

   

  I think I heard 5.1 is slated for end of this year, (But it's Cisco, so probably beginning of 2007)

   

  I will be waiting for 5.2 personally, but am really looking forward to the patching / upgrade process of the 5.x train with active and standby partitions.

   

  Scott

   

  PS.  The last "dot oh" upgrade I did, took 23 hours, 3 tac engineers and 6-7 developers.

   


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  From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:19 AM
  To: candace_holman at harvard.edu; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new solutions?Simply speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x

   

  Agreed on those points. Sticking with 4.1(3) should provide an easier feature upgrade to 5.0. But from what I hear, the 4.2 features will be available in 5.1 and that was slated for release in 2007 or something like that. But you are right....I would use several years as a guide line. 2 to 3 years.

   

  It comes down to:

    a.. feature availability (SIP, etc) 
    b.. upgrade issues (current features not supported in future version target) 
    c.. bleeding edge factor -or- the "dot oh" syndrome 
    d.. support issues (how much experience does the TAC have) 
    e.. stability (are there all the patches you want in there) 
  and I would also add, product availability. It's probably alot easier to get 4.1(3) install media than it would be 4.2 or 5.0.

   

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    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Candace Holman 

    To: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 

    Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:11 PM

    Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new solutions? Simply speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x

     

    To some extent I agree with Lelio and Scott, but it may be worth it to 
    you to consider some other points:

        * 4.x will not have SIP lines for several years at best
        * 5.x has the option for SIP and SCCP
        * it could be difficult to upgrade 4.2 -> 5.x because some of the
          user features in 4.2 are not duplicated in 5.x for several years
          at best
        * 5.x is a RH Linux train, 4.2 is windows so your considerations for
          hardware, organizational policies or tech philosophies,
          engineering skillset, etc _may_ be different

    Candace

    > Subject:
    > [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new solutions? Simply 
    > speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x
    > From:
    > Netfortius <netfortius at gmail.com>
    > Date:
    > Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:33:58 -0500
    >
    > To:
    > cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
    >
    >
    > You may have already gotten used to my last string of questions here, which - 
    > I am not hiding it - are part of my attempt to gain info from the more 
    > experienced people, on this subject, regarding a project I am working on for 
    > deployment of multi-site IPT & VoIP. I have gone into some details, for some 
    > questions I had, but now - reading tons of material every day, I have become 
    > very worried about the full blown solution chosen, vs. what is being promised 
    > just "around the corner". Here is where I would appreciate any comments, of 
    > any nature, thoughts, experience, "what-if" - anything you can share about 
    > this subject:
    >
    > Scenario: multi-site deployment of Cisco CM, with the following objectives in 
    > mind:
    >
    > 1. Replacement of existing old telephony solution, Nortel-based, consisting of 
    > PBX in each location, with Cisco-based IP-based communication systems (and 
    > not only one-to-one replacement of phones, but also steps toward unified 
    > communications)
    >
    > 2. Installation of Cisco solution consisting of:
    > a. CM 4.x (advised by Cisco) at the HQ + Unity integrated with Exchange 2003 
    > and a handful of IP phones (major testers of the technology) and integration 
    > with existing Nortel PBX at the HQ (PHASE 1)
    > b. IP phones in the remote location (complete replacement of everything old, 
    > including PBX) + SRST + standalone (storage-wise) Unity (PHASE 1)
    > c. Unified messaging at the HQ, in the "pilot" group, to the best of the 
    > abilities and availability of products around CM 4.x (e.g. PA, among others, 
    > as an example of what I am getting at) (PHASE 1)
    > d. Experience from c> ==> full implementation of unified messaging at the 
    > first remote ("upgrade" of the standalone Unity into an Exchange-tied one - 
    > is this even possible?!?) (PHASE 2)
    > e. remote site used as template fro all other sites (PHASE 2)
    > f. full upgrade at the HQ (PHASE 2), with the exception of Call Center
    > g. Cisco IPCC replacement of the existing Nortel Call Center, after the 
    > entire VoIP and IPT has proven reliable to sustain a Customer Service (PHASE 
    > 3)
    >
    > 3. The unified communications (including messaging) will eventually adddress 
    > various business needs, primarily focused on mobility and real-time 
    > communications and sharing
    >
    > Having said all of the above, here are the issues I am struggling with:
    >
    > - I have (and nobody in my network geeks group) no real experience with Cisco 
    > VoIP/IPT;
    > - the suggested solution, from Cisco, revolves around a CM 4.2 and, gradually, 
    > as explained above, updates to the point of full unified messaging - still 
    > 4.2-based
    > - I am getting conflicting messages from our Cisco group - they advise us to 
    > do the install with CM 4.2 (which would end up as a cluster of multiple 
    > servers, at the HQ), not CM 5.0, but:
    > - I am reading and reading, and it appears to me that some features associated 
    > with CM 4.2 are dying (e.g. PA), while CM 5.0 seems to open the door for much 
    > more, but not everything backward compatible with 4.x
    > - tons of features are being advertised as related to CM 5.0, only, but are 
    > not ready yet, and are to be released this year (majority in second quarter)
    >
    > Bottom line - I am struggling with one major question (with no easy answer - 
    > thus appreciating any comments this list may have): should I move ahead as 
    > started, with the one site + pilot HQ, on CM 4.2 (PHASE 1), then go over all 
    > phases, then analyze what would need to be upgraded to a 5.0 environment, if 
    > certain additional features would become available and needed, and not 
    > backward compatible
    > OR
    > should I just put a stop to the CM 4.x analysis and planning, and redo 
    > everything (with the delay caused by various products availability) around CM 
    > 5.0?
    >
    > As I said - any $0.02-$64K comments will be really appreciated. I will try to 
    > consolidate this type of info, in something useful, if enough data warrants 
    > it.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Stefan
    >
    >   

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