[cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0

Fri Jul 28 09:48:53 EDT 2006

While this is true for XP (and 2000), there would be an issue for CCM 5.

You don't really get OS access.  

Do you think Cisco would support running the stop/start commands and
ifconfig from and end user perspective?  Or even asking them to dial into
the server and change the MAC for you?

What interests me most is why the licensing server was added now, with the
Linux version, and not way earlier.  MS is way more touchy about giving away
free licences (how many lab CCM's have a pile of devices on them with out
valid OS/SQL licensing?).  While I can't blame Cisco for going to this
model, I can question the timing, and the way in which it is done.  

A demo license (I would say 30 devices in all including the built-in stuff),
would be the best way to go.  

But when was the last time Cisco actually listened to its customer base?
(sorry for the caustic comment Cisco guys, I know all of you and know how
much you bust your butts and the frustrations even you folks have getting
things done internally, this isn't directed at you, it is directed at those
higher up the chain that for the last 6 years of voice products just don't
seem to listen much).

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Israel Lang
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:30 AM
To: Ted Nugent
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address

Under Windows XP <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP> , the MAC address
can be changed in the Ethernet adapter's Properties menu, in the Advanced
tab, as "MAC Address", "Locally Administered Address", "Ethernet Address",
"Physical Address" or "Network Address". The exact name depends on the
Ethernet driver used; not all drivers support changing the MAC address in
this way.

However, a better solution - requiring Administrative User Rights - is to
pass over the System Registry Keys under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E972-E325-11C
E-BFC1-08002BE10318}. Here settings for each network interface can be found.
The contents of the string value called 'NetworkAddress' will be used to set
the MAC address of the adapter when next it is enabled. Resetting the
adapter can be accomplished in script with the freely available command line
utility devcon
<http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q311272>  from
Microsoft, or from the adapters context menu in the Network Connections
control panel applet. 

There is a FREEWARE tool called Technitium
<http://www.technitium.com/software/mac_changer_v3.1/mac_changer_v3.1.html>
MAC Address Changer v3.1 (FREEWARE) which allows you to change MAC address
of your network interface card (NIC) in seconds, irrespective of its driver
or manufacturer.

Note: to check your MAC address easily under Windows NT4, Windows 2000 or
Windows XP: Click "Start", choose "Run...", type CMD and click OK, then type
ipconfig /all in the Command Prompt window that appears. The number under
physical address is the MAC address. If multiple IP are displayed, you
should look under the label "Ethernet adapter x", where x is the name of
your connection (which is Local Area Connection by default).

On 7/27/06, Ted Nugent <tednugent69 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

Thanks Ryan...
No.. perfect sidetrack and good point...! and actually
the customer came up with that idea before I did :-(.
But it was an older DL380-G2 and the HP dude informed
us that this could not be done on that vintage 
server?? I remember doing this on IBM NICs and laptops
years ago so I could not beleive it wasn't an option.
I've honestly not had to do that before on an HP MCS
server myself but you can do it via the HP foundation 
CDs??

--- Ryan Ratliff <rratliff at cisco.com> wrote:

> Not to sidetrack the thread but in that case I'd be
> changing the mac
> on the Unity server. 
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Jul 27, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Ted Nugent wrote:
>
> Right on with the hardware failure deal scenario...
> emailing licensing and waiting for someone in RTP or
> SJ to come on shift is unacceptable. During working 
> hours in the states turn around is pretty quick but
> I've found that APT and EMEA are good at "AVVID" TAC
> but licensing is non-existent! I had the exact
> scenario you mentioned with Unity at 1am Eastern US 
> time and had to wait until 8:30am the next day to
> get
> a .lic file! The customer was furious because they
> fronted most of their calls through a unity AA. The
> HP
> guy was there to replace the motherboard within 3 
> hours as contracted but we had to wait an additional
> 4
> hours for a new .lic file. And yes I did try calling
> in a P1 but no one could and/or knew how to help.
> That's Unity. now if you have the same problem with 
> your CM Cluster its Goodbye Cisco and Hello Avaya
> for
> your customer.
>
> --- Ryan LaTorre <rlatorre at unislumin.com> wrote:
>
> > 
> > Not to tow the cisco line too much, I would argue
> > that the 3.4GB of
> > patches in three months is a good thing.  Cisco is
> > undoubtedly dealing
> > with a large number of bugs, which should be 
> > expected of a new product.
> > Cisco has done their part to keep it on New
> Product
> > Hold, primarily
> > approving lab deployments in which the real issues
> > will be discovered. 
> > The patches have come fast and furious which tells
> > me they're feverishly
> > ramping up the stability.
> >
> > Having said that, I agree with the demo licensing
> > sentiments 100%. 
> > There needs to be something readily available for
> > partners and Cisco SEs
> > to work with.
> >
> > Demo licensing isn't my only concern though.
> > Consider the operational 
> > impact. The publisher hardware dies (somehow). An
> > extra server is
> > brought into service to quickly replace it, but
> wait
> > - to activate and
> > use it a special licensing request has to be 
> > fulfilled. I don't know how
> > long that takes, especially if it's 2am.  Or
> > replacing a subscriber with
> > new hardware - it may be advantageous to build a
> new
> > server with a new 
> > entity, add it into the cluster, and subsequently
> > remove the existing
> > one a few days later.  This will no longer be
> > possible.
> >
> > I understand the need for licensing, but the 
> > operational impact has to
> > also be considered and some flexibility built-in.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> > Behalf Of Jonathan
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:17 PM 
> > To: Ted Nugent
> > Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net; Serg; Andrew Riley
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server
> > 1.0.0 
> >
> > What's really stupid here is that they offer demo
> > licenses for Unity,
> > IPCC, CiscoWorks (90 day), etc... Why not CCM5?
> >
> > My guess is that Cisco doesn't want anyone playing 
> > with it, so they
> > won't report back how buggy it is (come on guys,
> > Cisco has released
> > 3.4GB of patches (on a 1.2GB install DVD) in the
> > past three months..
> >
> > That's very bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On 7/27/06, Ted Nugent <tednugent69 at yahoo.com> 
> > wrote:
> >> I can't agree enough. We have at least 4 midsize
> > customers that are
> >> looking to migrate to CM5 however we are very
> > reluctant to perform any
> >
> >> sort of migration until we can get some sort of
> > license for our lab.
> >> We've been around and around with our Cisco SE's
> > but have yet to get a
> > 
> >> definitive answer. Cisco's pumped up
> >> CM5 for all of our/their customers and are
> leaving
> > their partners
> >> asses in the wind on this. Very frustrating! I 
> > can't imagine how much
> >> money they've lost already over something that
> > seems to be a no
> >> brainer!
> >>
> >> --- Jonathan Charles < jonvoip at gmail.com <mailto:jonvoip at gmail.com> >
wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have had little or no problems installing CCM5
> > on VMWare... the
> >>> problem is licensing... Cisco needs to release a
> > demo license (5
> >>> phones, 2 nodes) for lab purposes (if they want
> > anyone to even think
> >
> >>> about deploying this thing).
> >>>
> >>> Until we have completed lab testing (which we 
> > cannot do with 5),
> >>> there is no way in hell we will deploy it in our
> > network.
> >>>
> >>> Cisco's loss (our network has 240,000 users).
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan
> >>>
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