[cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP

Lelio Fulgenzi lelio at uoguelph.ca
Tue May 8 09:28:50 EDT 2007


4.1.2 sr-blah
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
...there's no such thing as a bad timbit...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kalle Tetto 
  To: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP


  CCM 4.2(3)

  Lelio Fulgenzi schrieb:
  > Wierd. It looks like I have caching enabled and I didn't have to restart 
  > my TFTP server to get the new images.
  >  
  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
  > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
  > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
  > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  > ...there's no such thing as a bad timbit...
  > 
  >     ----- Original Message -----
  >     *From:* Kalle Tetto <mailto:tettokalle at hotmail.com>
  >     *To:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:06 AM
  >     *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP
  > 
  >     yes it is. I ran into a similar problem, as I wanted to build my own
  >     phone backgrounds. I had to restart the tftp service or disable caching.
  > 
  >     cheers
  > 
  >     Lelio Fulgenzi schrieb:
  >      > Is this what you are referring to?
  >      > 
  >      >
  >      >     Clusterwide Parameters(Parameters that apply to all servers) 
  >      >     
  >      >     Build CNF Files*   Build Selective
  >      >     Enable Caching of Constant and Bin Files at Startup*   True
  >      >     Enable Caching of Configuration Files*   True
  >      >
  >      >
  >     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >      > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
  >      > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
  >      > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
  >      >
  >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  >      > ...there's no such thing as a bad timbit...
  >      >
  >      >     ----- Original Message -----
  >      >     *From:* Kalle Tetto <mailto:tettokalle at hotmail.com>
  >      >     *To:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net> <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >      >     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:47 AM
  >      >     *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP
  >      >
  >      >     then your tftp caching is disabled ;-)
  >      >
  >      >     Lelio Fulgenzi schrieb:
  >      >      > i've never had to bounce the tFTP server after copying
  >     over ZIP
  >      >     files.
  >      >      >
  >      >      >
  >      >    
  >     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >      >      > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
  >      >      > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph,
  >     Ontario N1G 2W1
  >      >      > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
  >      >      >
  >      >    
  >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  >      >      > ...there's no such thing as a bad timbit...
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ----- Original Message -----
  >      >      >     *From:* Voll, Scott <mailto:Scott.Voll at wesd.org>
  >      >      >     *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca> ;
  >      >      >     cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >      >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >      >      >     *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 4:45 PM
  >      >      >     *Subject:* RE: [cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     Personally I like the Zip.  I unpackage them, insert,
  >     bounce the
  >      >      >     TFTP, setup the device defaults and I’m good.  The EXE
  >     requires a
  >      >      >     reboot.
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     Scott
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
  >      >     <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
  >      >      >     <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
  >      >      >     [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] *On Behalf
  >     Of *Lelio
  >      >      >     Fulgenzi
  >      >      >     *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 1:32 PM
  >      >      >     *To:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >      >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >     <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
  >      >      >     *Subject:* [cisco-voip] devpack vs .EXE vs. ZIP
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     Do I need a devpack to run my 7911s? Or can I just
  >     download
  >      >     the zip
  >      >      >     files? What do the devpacks do?
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     The readme for 8.2(2) SR2 says the following. But the
  >     7911 is
  >      >      >     running fine with SCCP11.7-2-3S (whatever that is)
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >       
  >      >    
  >     http://ftp-sj.cisco.com/cisco/voice/ip-7900ser/cmterm-7911_7906-sccp.8-2-2SR2-readme.htm
  >      >      >
  >      >      >        
  >      >      >
  >      >      >         Table 1: Compatible Cisco Unified Call Manager Release
  >      >     for 7911G
  >      >      >         (No support for 7906G in these releases)
  >      >      >
  >      >      >        
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     *Call Manager Version*
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     *Executable on Software Page*
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     3.3(5)SR1 or later & ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.3-3-5-sr1.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-64.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     4.0(2)SR2b or later & ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-0-2a-sr2b.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-2a-sr2b.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-2a-sr2b.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-2a-sr2b.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-2a-sr2b.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.0/ciscocm.4-0-DevPack-43.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     4.1(3)SR1 or later & ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-1-3-sr1.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-23.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     Table 2: Compatible Cisco Unified Call Manager Release
  >     that
  >      >     supports
  >      >      >     both 7906G and 7911G
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     *Call Manager Version*
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     *Executable on Software Page*
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     3.3(5)SR2 or later & ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe or later
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.3-3-5-sr2.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-5-sr2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/voice/callmgr/3.3/ciscocm.3-3-DevPack-68.1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     4.1(3)SR3a or later & ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe or
  >     later
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-1-3-sr3a.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr3a.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr3a.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr3a.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-3-sr3a.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.1/ciscocm.4-1-DevPack-28.2.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     4.2(1)SR1 or later & ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe or
  >     later
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >      >
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-2-1-sr1.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-sr1.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>;
  >      >      >     ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>
  >      >    
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A
  >     <http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Tablebuild/doftp.pl?ftpfile=cisco/crypto/3DES/voice/callmgr/4.2/ciscocm.4-2-1-DevPack-03.3.exe&app=Tablebuild&status=showC2A>>>
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >    
  >      >      >
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >      >      >     Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
  >      >      >     Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph,
  >     Ontario
  >      >     N1G 2W1
  >      >      >     (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
  >      >      >   
  >      >    
  >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  >      >      >     ...there's no such thing as a bad timbit...
  >      >      >
  >      >      >
  >      >      >
  >      >    
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