[cisco-voip] Problem wth freeSSHd SFTP backups on CCM 6.0

[Jonathan Charles]

How is MS responsible? Or is this just simple 'I am of the Linux
people, Bill Gates is our Satan...'

Did MS force Cisco to use SFTP (a protocol I didn't even know existed
until CCM5...)



Jonathan


On Nov 26, 2007 9:11 AM, Jerky <lists at jerkys.org> wrote:
> I agree Cisco should have thought about it a bit more when deciding to
> force the more secure sftp/scp protocols since there aren't many(or
> maybe even any) solid choices for an sftp service on windows.
>
> I would also hold Microsoft a bit responsible on this one too.
> Especially in light of the fact that they have slowly been shoring up
> the command line-ablity of Windows over the last few releases. There
> have been many additions the the net command in Windows 2003 and
> Monad, or PowerShell or whatever they called it, in Vista is an
> attempt to move into some new ground). I find it ridiculous that they
> still only support telnet and ftp as the only CLI tools for file
> transfer and remote login. Since 1999, the OpenSSH project has had a
> BSD licensed implementation AND source code available. BSD code can be
> free distributed without having to publish your changes. Microsoft
> aren't any strangers to using BSD'ed code, this is the snippet of
> output from using strings on a windows XP SP2 machine's nslookup. I
> believe the ftp client also uses BSD code and has similar strings.
>
> @(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California.
>   All rights reserved.
> @(#)nslookup.c  5.39 (Berkeley) 6/24/90
> A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
> @(#)commands.l  5.13 (Berkeley) 7/24/90
>
> I would suggest to voice this omission with Microsoft as well.
>
> jeff
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Charles wrote:
>
> > OK, this is cool... but.
> >
> > We need to get Cisco to support FTP... I don't care if they splay out
> > a giant warning calling us security heretics, but Cisco needs to
> > support this... backups are failing because there is not a reliable
> > backup solution for CallManager 5 or 6...
> >
> > I just checked a customer I installed six months ago... there hasn't
> > been a backup done since August... why? Because it just stopped
> > working.
> >
> > FTP is a reliable protocol and is universally supported...
> >
> > How do we force Cisco's hand here?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Nov 24, 2007 1:18 PM,  <jean-francois.guay at bell.ca> wrote:
> >> Had the same problem but on CCM5 - I couldn't get freeSSHd to work
> >> either.  Instead I used freeFTPd which includes freeSSHd and
> >> everything
> >> started to work fine. Need to disable welcome banner and logging on
> >> freeFTPd if the transfer speed is too slow.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Jean-Francois Guay, ing.
> >>  Consultant Technologies IP - Services Professionnels
> >>  Communications Convergentes et Solutions Mobiles
> >>  Bell Solutions T.I.C
> >>  ' 514-391-9698
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jonathan Charles [mailto:jonvoip at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: 24 novembre 2007 11:16
> >> To: Jason Wydra
> >> Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Problem wth freeSSHd SFTP backups on CCM
> >> 6.0
> >>
> >> At the end of the day, you are a tragic victim of Cisco's
> >> short-sightedness.
> >>
> >> Every Linux server on the planet has a native SFTP server built in,
> >> so
> >> those environments and users think this is the coolest thing ever.
> >>
> >> For most environments that are running Windows, SFTP is not
> >> supported,
> >> so we are forced to use really crappy applications to replicate this
> >> single feature.
> >>
> >> The solution is a mass email, phone and scream campaign to Cisco
> >> forcing them to support FTP for the backups.
> >>
> >> Which they won't do, because they have caught the Linux religion and
> >> they drank the kool-aid.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> On Nov 23, 2007 4:39 PM, Jason Wydra <jasonwydra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I have a standalone SFTP server running Windows 2000. The server
> >> program I'm
> >>> using is freeSSHd. When I add the SFTP server as a back-up device it
> >> just
> >>> hangs up for 5 to 10 minutes and then comes back with "update
> >>> failed"
> >> (no
> >>> details). While CCM was hanging I looked at the logs on freeSSHd
> >>> and I
> >> could
> >>> see that I got logged in successfully and was granted the SFTP
> >> service. Any
> >>> ideas what might be happening?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jason
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