[cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

Tue Apr 8 09:33:52 EDT 2008

I believe it all has to do with the 'playing of the tones' - it's the 
gateway that sends a tone to the caller indicating that they must enter an 
FAC and/or a reorder alert telling them that the FAC is not valid.

Lelio
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
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Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home keys 
is inversely
related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "Aman Chugh" <aman.chugh at gmail.com>; <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

>I don't understand why a FAC or CMC wouldn't work with H.323, that
> doesn't make sense... the CCM is just requesting this info prior to
> routing the call... it is part of the route-pattern, what difference
> does it make where the call goes?
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now you know my conundrum. It's not very clear with respect to SIP 
>> trunks.
>> The document states it requires MGCP and doesn't work on H323. That's it, 
>> no
>> mention of SIP.
>>
>> Lelio
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home 
>> keys
>> is inversely
>> related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Aman Chugh
>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>> Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>
>>
>> I spoke to soon , Yes it is not supported on H.323 analog gateways
>>
>> H.323 analog gateways do not support FAC or CMC because these gateways
>> cannot play tones
>>
>> Aman
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/08, Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am not sure if FAC/CMC is not supported with H.323, I believe FAC/CMC 
>> > is
>> a ccm function and should be gateway protocol independent. As these are
>> prompted and enabled on ccm Route patterns.
>> >
>> > Maybe Wes or Ryan can confirm.
>> >
>> >
>> > Aman
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Well, I'm sure you use the same route patterns with H323 and FXO 
>> > > ports
>> but we already know that FACs are not supported on those.
>> > >
>> > > Any of the Cisco guys have any comments? I guess I could open a TAC 
>> > > case
>> for confirmation.
>> > >
>> > >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> > > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> > > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Aman Chugh
>> > > To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>> > > Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:33 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > SIP route patterns are used for domain routing/URL dialing , You can 
>> > > use
>> regular route  patterns for digit dialing and as J said it should work 
>> with
>> regular route patterns.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Aman
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>> > > > In the documentation, it has special instructions for SIP route
>> patterns and
>> > > > the configuration options listed does not have FAC/CMC.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is anyone out there using SIP trunks with the regular route 
>> > > > patterns
>> or do
>> > > > you have to use the SIP route patterns?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> > > > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 
>> > > > 2W1
>> > > > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > > "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>> > > > To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> > > > Cc: <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> > > > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:20 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >I wouldn't see why not, just configure them on the route-patterns 
>> > > > >and
>> > > > > point the route-patterns to the trunks (RLs, RGs...)
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jonathan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
>> > > > > <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I'm not sure if I posted this before, but can anyone confirm 
>> > > > >> that
>> FACs
>> > > > >> are
>> > > > >> not compatible with SIP trunks? We heavily use FACs for our
>> residence and
>> > > > >> will likely need to go forward with continuing to use them. We
>> wanted to
>> > > > >> evaluate SIP trunks as a replacement to our PRI service but when 
>> > > > >> I
>> looked
>> > > > >> up
>> > > > >> a SIP route pattern in the CCM 6.1 admin guide there was no 
>> > > > >> FAC/CMC
>> > > > >> option.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Comments?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> > > > >> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario 
>> > > > >> N1G
>> 2W1
>> > > > >> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> > > > >>
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