[cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

Tue Apr 8 11:20:26 EDT 2008

That still doesn't make sense.

CCM is prompting for tones to enter FAC and CMC, not the gateway....
the CMC is just to tag the CDR record and the FAC is just to authorize
the call, inside CCM.

Jonathan

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> I believe it all has to do with the 'playing of the tones' - it's the
> gateway that sends a tone to the caller indicating that they must enter an
> FAC and/or a reorder alert telling them that the FAC is not valid.
>
>
>  Lelio
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>  Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>  (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home keys
> is inversely
>  related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>
>  To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>  Cc: "Aman Chugh" <aman.chugh at gmail.com>; <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:27 AM
>
>
>  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>
>
>
> > I don't understand why a FAC or CMC wouldn't work with H.323, that
> > doesn't make sense... the CCM is just requesting this info prior to
> > routing the call... it is part of the route-pattern, what difference
> > does it make where the call goes?
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you know my conundrum. It's not very clear with respect to SIP
> trunks.
> > > The document states it requires MGCP and doesn't work on H323. That's
> it, no
> > > mention of SIP.
> > >
> > > Lelio
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> > > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home
> keys
> > > is inversely
> > > related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Aman Chugh
> > > To: Lelio Fulgenzi
> > > Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
> > >
> > >
> > > I spoke to soon , Yes it is not supported on H.323 analog gateways
> > >
> > > H.323 analog gateways do not support FAC or CMC because these gateways
> > > cannot play tones
> > >
> > > Aman
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/8/08, Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if FAC/CMC is not supported with H.323, I believe
> FAC/CMC > is
> > > a ccm function and should be gateway protocol independent. As these are
> > > prompted and enabled on ccm Route patterns.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Wes or Ryan can confirm.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'm sure you use the same route patterns with H323 and FXO > >
> ports
> > > but we already know that FACs are not supported on those.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any of the Cisco guys have any comments? I guess I could open a TAC
> > > case
> > > for confirmation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > > > > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
> 2W1
> > > > > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> > > > >
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Aman Chugh
> > > > > To: Lelio Fulgenzi
> > > > > Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:33 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SIP route patterns are used for domain routing/URL dialing , You can
> > > use
> > > regular route  patterns for digit dialing and as J said it should work
> with
> > > regular route patterns.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Aman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > In the documentation, it has special instructions for SIP route
> > > patterns and
> > > > > > the configuration options listed does not have FAC/CMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone out there using SIP trunks with the regular route > > >
> patterns
> > > or do
> > > > > > you have to use the SIP route patterns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > > > > > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
> > > > 2W1
> > > > > > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> > > > > >
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> > > > > > Cc: <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I wouldn't see why not, just configure them on the route-patterns
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > point the route-patterns to the trunks (RLs, RGs...)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonathan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi > > > >
> <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm not sure if I posted this before, but can anyone confirm >
> > > >> that
> > > FACs
> > > > > > >> are
> > > > > > >> not compatible with SIP trunks? We heavily use FACs for our
> > > residence and
> > > > > > >> will likely need to go forward with continuing to use them. We
> > > wanted to
> > > > > > >> evaluate SIP trunks as a replacement to our PRI service but
> when > > > >> I
> > > looked
> > > > > > >> up
> > > > > > >> a SIP route pattern in the CCM 6.1 admin guide there was no > >
> > >> FAC/CMC
> > > > > > >> option.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Comments?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > > > > > >> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario >
> > > >> N1G
> > > 2W1
> > > > > > >> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
> > > > > > >>
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